Backhand works we at low levels and v high level. 

Low level: the short game with H3 is excellent and the natural tack helps with flicks and spin. 

The issue with it is the blade no where near makes up for the need of an active brushy stroke for most on the attack and blocks and punches are far harder due to spin sensitivity and poor rebound.

We have a decent mid level player at my club who uses this set up. He is mostly a pusher on the backhand with a cracking active smack on the backhand. Not good in a consistent topspin rally to the backhand but he isn't hugely mobile so has centered his game on tying the short game up and either winning or pushing the opponent back with the first attack

And now, back to work again....

I used to use TG2 Neo 39 degrees on both sides of an Ebenholz V and Miyabi to great effect. Also, H2 Neo 39 degrees on both sides of a Waldner WC89 was awesome. I never tuned them and they always felt plenty fast for me even away from the table. 

Anyway, I believe H3, boosted or not, works better with thin ALC blades, such as TBS or Viscaria.

Ma long uses 37 degree h3 on bh.

So what makes you think you can hit harder than ma long, justifying the harder sponge?

Just get 37 deg H3N or yinhe Mercury 2 medium (37 deg) which is very similar.

Rumor is nonsense

Such a useless post

I have no problems with H3 Neo H39 on BH, however prefer another rubber due to throw angle. There are different preferences.

Mercury 2 medium is a way below H3 in everything, cannot be seen as a replacement.

Ok, where to get 37 deg neo? Where? Link please. Will be much appreciated!

Ok, thanks. I will watch my mouth :)

"Just get 37 deg H3N or yinhe Mercury 2 medium (37 deg) which is very similar."

Which definitely implies that there is a 37 deg H3N available somewhere. Meaning, a person reading it might reasonably interpret the line in such a way. It's all in the syntax of the phrase. If he meant something else, Hozuki should have written it differently.

FdT

But, I feel like there's advantages of less tacky rubbers namely the spin insensitivity. I tried the TinArc series and I felt although my loops had less quality they were easier to execute because it doesn't grab onto the incoming spin that much. This is especially advantageous for chiquita against heavy spin. Pushing is definitely much worse compared to tacky rubbers which can generate some seriously dangerous spin variation. 

I'm in fact thinking seriously about changing over to a half tacky or nontacky rubber completely as a result.

https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOH3provincialOrange" rel="nofollow - https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOH3provincialOrange

Also, robin.w had them for sale at one point. I bought 2 from him. Not sure if he still has any.

I'm late to the party, but DLC pretty much said it already. Provincial H3N is available at 37 deg.

Just a bit pricey, sadly not 37 in regular commercial.

Cool, your BH must be better than most chinese pros.

In any other case, it might work somehow but will be far from optimal.

Anyways, mercury has better control than h3, and has way more spin than a skyline 3-60.

It plays like a softer, slightly tamed h3 and boosted it's pretty much a fastarc g-1.

It would serve you well to be more modest.

well observed, it was both for comparative purpose and an implication for the possibility to buy it at that hardness.

I think price is not that bad. Obviously not Mercury 2 :)

 Thanks heaps for the link. That is really useful post

How is 3-50 playing on BH? At some point I had troubles with FH, especially playing not boosted H3. So I thought to get something softer lift throw angle. Ordered 3-60 H37 for FH hoping to reduce errors. Very quickly realised that 3-60 is playing so nice on BH so I left it there. After sheet polished to dead I was looking for replacement and deciding between 3-50 or 3-60. Ended up with what I used previously - 3-60 H37. 

So just curious how do you find 3-50 on the BH?

Not really better than pro and I dont care much about pro, these guys can win me using fry pan having their eyes closed, no doubts.

I know why you are saying this - there is some sort of common understanding that BH rubber should be 2 degrees softer than FH since BH strokes are weaker due to human anatomy. It all makes sense. Hurricane 3 series rubbers in H39 (regardless Neo or older) they are so good at grabbing a ball and also they are faster than H37. 

The deal here is match throw angle to player skills. So H39 yet alone is not a factor, my understanding that blade is contributing to through angle much more than rubber. H39 on the right blade can be very playable setup, especially for BH dominant ppl

I use unboosted H3-50 on BH. It has some insane spin generation capability, you will find that people just outright miss blocking your loops because of the insane spin generated. Same goes with the chiquita. You can do loaded pushes very well and the control is really amazing. 

The problem comes with handling spin, sometimes it's very tiring to loop with it because it grabs onto the incoming spin too well, and you always have to put in a lot of effort to overcome the incoming spin. With less tacky rubbers, it's easier to neutralize spin so you can play more relaxed and easier and speedier. 

TLDR, H3-50 will allow you a lot more spin and quality in your loops at the expense of ease of use and a more fluid game. 

Xiom Omega Asia 5 is not tacky at all, but generating good spin. I am not sure if it is so called tensor, but at least whatever spin it can do, that spin stays consistent and not affected by dust. Yep, it was much easier to play with it. I had it on FH for 100 hours until grip got lost. Concluded that using rubber which is so much forgiving leads to bad habits and lazy shots. But your are right, I remember returning late balls being very stretched and out of balance, me and my opponent were both surprised :)) Also it is $$$ pricy

Btw I can send you K2 red used for 2 hrs or less. Cut into FH viscaria size. It has high pop throw angle when on Viscaria, medium tacky topsheet. Well made hybrid. It is matter of taste. PM me if interested.

I agree with some of this. But IMO, what you neglect to see is that for every hardness of rubber, there is an optimal gear, which requires a specific range of impact strength. While a H39 rubber has higher maximum speed and spin than a H37 rubber, it doesn't automatically mean that you can constantly get higher spin and speed, as you would need to hit the ball consistently with a higher force.

And since the BH rubber is needed to open the game with a flip, it makes sense for it to be somewhat soft, otherwise there would be little control when trying to accelerate a very slow ball.

Of course you can say that this is also possible with topsheet alone, but then you would have to play against the entire incoming spin, run into the possibility of hitting the edge, also you wouldn't be able to play a fast flip (compared to using soft rubber) and when there is too much humidity you can forget that topsheet stroke altogether.

And that's just a few of the reasons why any BH rubber over 37 / 47,5 deg hardness is a bad idea.

I haven't even touched upon service receiving, lobbing or smashing, which all suck.

If one is not at least 1800 TTR / 2200 USATT playing such a hard rubber on BH (assuming a standard looping game) then I can only call him out as sub-optimal and inefficient.

I clean my rubber every time after use and use a tacky sheet for protection so the tack lasts a very very long time. H3-50 is actually also soft sponge and grippy (as well as being very tacky), it feels very different from the traditional Chinese hard tacky rubber. That combination makes for some insane dwell time and spin production. I've used it when it's lost its tack, it still behaves like a grippy rubber which still plays very well. 

Because the H3-50 is dirt cheap I just change it when I feel like it's lost some performance. 

From my experience playing with H3-50 results in less rallies because of the increased shot quality I have, but is also more tiring and I think I make a bit more mistakes opening with it due to its spin sensitivity. But yes it forces you to play better (no lazy shots are allowed pretty much) and makes you a better player. 

Ive had almost the exact same experience with Skyline 3-60!

I have so much more confidence in my BH now, everyone has been asking me what I changed in my game that makes me so stable, powerful and spinny? Really, all I did was slow down my rubbers and I’m able to exert more of my physical strength into the shots with confidence. I have much more linear control and this is awesome for placement and shot selection. It’s really a game changer. 

Has anyone compared H3-50 to S3-60 directly yet?

I have a sheet of 3-50 waiting... but I really can’t see myself wanting anything other than 3-60 on my BH right now. Does anyone think it’s better in any aspect?

I heard 3-50 was very similar to 3-60. The idea is the same, very tacky topsheet on a spring sponge. And I also have similar game to yours, I'm physically quite strong and can put a lot of power into the ball, so spin and control is a lot more important. You could also do very spinny BH short pushes too which can seriously jam attackers. Opening loops also seem to be very strong with tacky rubbers.

I feel like nontacky rubbers are significantly better for chiquita and rallying  though. I've been testing out TinArc and so far it seems like quite a good compromise..

I definitely need to train more at that to get the speed up. I think I really have to play more open to drive it more to get any speed. But, as you mentioned, the control and placement are king in our game. Oh, and I forgot to mention I’m a penholder.

Not exactly but still good review

https://blog.tabletennis11.com/dhs-skyline-3-neo-3-60-review" rel="nofollow - https://blog.tabletennis11.com/dhs-skyline-3-neo-3-60-review

https://blog.tabletennis11.com/dhs-hurricane3-neo-3-50-provincial-review" rel="nofollow - https://blog.tabletennis11.com/dhs-hurricane3-neo-3-50-provincial-review

Oh yeah, I’ve read those many times. Thanks anyway. It’s a good reference for others. 

If I remember correctly, he mentions both would be solid on the BH but he favored the 3-60.