Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 9:22am
Request:differences in serve motion or contact point for serving to different parts of the table.
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 12:00pm
PPM: Good effort to stay busy! NJ or NZ?
IMHO, you have built enough 'online equity' to start monetizing via 'online coaching'. After all, at least in NJ, this lockdown could go on for months.
Ask us to send you our videos practicing with a robot (or even of prior games) and offer coaching (stroke correction, footwork correction, game tactics, etc) for a fee about 1/4 of live coaching. There should be a market. Trust me - this is even valuable service for many adults - while they do not mind spending $60 per hour on their kids' coaching, they feel guilty spending that much on their own.
My guess is that you do not need to spend more than 15 min total on watching the video / providing useful feedback, so it shall be helpful.
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 2:39pm
blahness wrote:
FH flick videos please xD I can't get enough of FH flick videos lol
Will definitely get to this once i'm out of isolation and the club opens again, I can't effectively teach these things without a robot or a training partner :P so it's mostly serve focused initially.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 2:53pm
slevin wrote:
PPM: Good effort to stay busy! NJ or NZ?
IMHO, you have built enough 'online equity' to start monetizing via 'online coaching'. After all, at least in NJ, this lockdown could go on for months.
Ask us to send you our videos practicing with a robot (or even of prior games) and offer coaching (stroke correction, footwork correction, game tactics, etc) for a fee about 1/4 of live coaching. There should be a market. Trust me - this is even valuable service for many adults - while they do not mind spending $60 per hour on their kids' coaching, they feel guilty spending that much on their own.
My guess is that you do not need to spend more than 15 min total on watching the video / providing useful feedback, so it shall be helpful.
I'm in New Jersey at the moment, 13th day at home and i'm by myself so it's been tough to keep myself occupied.
It's definitely something I could look into and a great suggestion. If this does go on for a while then I will certainly have plenty of spare time before I move on to my next big project, so I will be working on trying to deliver as much coaching content as I can.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 2:54pm
kenneyy88 wrote:
Request:differences in serve motion or contact point for serving to different parts of the table.
Noted, I will probably put together a video on service placement and talk about depth, placement and direction. Will keep this in mind and hopefully get on to that in the next few vids!
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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 3:58pm
thanks for posting the pendulum serve video that explains how to generate under vs side vs topspin. I will work on adding that to my pendulum serve.
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 4:02pm
AcudaDave wrote:
thanks for posting the pendulum serve video that explains how to generate under vs side vs topspin. I will work on adding that to my pendulum serve.
No problem! It was a great topic suggestion and very relevant, hope it helps :)
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/26/2020 at 6:37pm
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
FH flick videos please xD I can't get enough of FH flick videos lol
Will definitely get to this once i'm out of isolation and the club opens again, I can't effectively teach these things without a robot or a training partner :P so it's mostly serve focused initially.
Damn.... but I think you could probably still talk about it and show some movements? Tips would be quite useful imo. Especially the contact movements. My practice partner has an amazing flick on both sides which he varies the type of contact, all producing quite different spins and speed which really throws me off (some even have backspin and some strange sidespin on them, yuck!)
For me serves are the strongest part of my game by far and I can pretty much serve almost every single FH serve in existence...
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/27/2020 at 12:52am
blahness wrote:
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
FH flick videos please xD I can't get enough of FH flick videos lol
Will definitely get to this once i'm out of isolation and the club opens again, I can't effectively teach these things without a robot or a training partner :P so it's mostly serve focused initially.
Damn.... but I think you could probably still talk about it and show some movements? Tips would be quite useful imo. Especially the contact movements. My practice partner has an amazing flick on both sides which he varies the type of contact, all producing quite different spins and speed which really throws me off (some even have backspin and some strange sidespin on them, yuck!)
For me serves are the strongest part of my game by far and I can pretty much serve almost every single FH serve in existence...
Don't worry I will get to it sooner rather than later :D
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/27/2020 at 1:01am
Today's video on improving service deception, focuses on contacting the bottom of the ball to generate spin in different directions.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/28/2020 at 2:21am
Today's video on the high toss serve!
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 03/28/2020 at 4:03pm
blahness wrote:
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
FH flick videos please xD I can't get enough of FH flick videos lol
Will definitely get to this once i'm out of isolation and the club opens again, I can't effectively teach these things without a robot or a training partner :P so it's mostly serve focused initially.
Damn.... but I think you could probably still talk about it and show some movements? Tips would be quite useful imo. Especially the contact movements. My practice partner has an amazing flick on both sides which he varies the type of contact, all producing quite different spins and speed which really throws me off (some even have backspin and some strange sidespin on them, yuck!)
For me serves are the strongest part of my game by far and I can pretty much serve almost every single FH serve in existence...
For some reason I can't get a good tomahawk
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/28/2020 at 7:39pm
cole_ely wrote:
For some reason I can't get a good tomahawk
I can add that to my list and do my best, not a serve I use commonly but I will look into it.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/29/2020 at 1:16am
A simple one today, something cool coming tomorrow :D
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Posted By: Joo Se Kev
Date Posted: 03/29/2020 at 6:50am
These are great, thanks!
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 12:35am
Next installment is the topspin kick hook serve!
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:06am
PingPongPom wrote:
Next installment is the topspin kick hook serve!
This is the most deceptive serve ever imo...so difficult to read :(
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:33am
PingPongPom wrote:
Today's video on improving service deception, focuses on contacting the bottom of the ball to generate spin in different directions.
Thanks a lot for this one. My standard backspin serve always had a lot of sidespin too, and it was because I was doing it like how you mentioned to do the sidespin here. I've been focusing on changing it to a pure (or closer to pure) backspin serve, which is actually how you've mentioned it.
The new one that I enjoyed hearing about is the topspin variation. Now I know why every now and then I would intend to serve my side-underspin serve. My opponent pushes it and it just pops out or really high for me to smash for a winner. The look on my opponent's face was to be honest just as confused as me haha. Now I know I was probably tightening my racket towards my body instead.
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:36am
blahness wrote:
This is the most deceptive serve ever imo...so difficult to read :(
Yes fortunately it's too late for most people to adapt to be aggressive once it bounces, has been very useful for me in matches :)
Actually I would say 80% of developing and intermediate players cannot serve a good backspin variation of it, so I usually prepare to flick or loop when I see people winding up for it.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:37am
mickd wrote:
Thanks a lot for this one. My standard backspin serve always had a lot of sidespin too, and it was because I was doing it like how you mentioned to do the sidespin here. I've been focusing on changing it to a pure (or closer to pure) backspin serve, which is actually how you've mentioned it.
The new one that I enjoyed hearing about is the topspin variation. Now I know why every now and then I would intend to serve my side-underspin serve. My opponent pushes it and it just pops out or really high for me to smash for a winner. The look on my opponent's face was to be honest just as confused as me haha. Now I know I was probably tightening my racket towards my body instead.
Hah, yes it's always better when you can throw out those serve variations intentionally instead of by accident ;) hopefully this helps you be able to do that!
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 3:24am
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
This is the most deceptive serve ever imo...so difficult to read :(
Yes fortunately it's too late for most people to adapt to be aggressive once it bounces, has been very useful for me in matches :)
Actually I would say 80% of developing and intermediate players cannot serve a good backspin variation of it, so I usually prepare to flick or loop when I see people winding up for it.
I actually serve a very heavy sidebackspin variant of it, and without fail people see my motion and think "sidetopspin 80% of the time" and just dump it straight into the net lol... I'm having trouble generating very heavy sidetopspin without it being too obvious tho, I think you definitely served some very heavy sidetopspin in your video and it definitely looked like it could be easily disguised with my sidebackspin movement. Your wrist movement is still up to down from the receivers point of used. I used to serve the side topspin with a down to up wrist movement like a reverse pendulum movement, but that seems to be quite easily detected haha, I've since switched back to using the forearm pronation method of serving sidetopspin which is better with deception, I think you're also using the same method...
The weird thing is I can disguise the spin well and I know how it works, but I still eat this serve for breakfast (my training partner serves a really wicked version of it too)
Tbh I feel like the hardest part of the hook serve is actually keeping it short. It just doesn't offer the same amount of length control compared to a reverse pendulum.
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:54pm
blahness wrote:
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
This is the most deceptive serve ever imo...so difficult to read :(
Yes fortunately it's too late for most people to adapt to be aggressive once it bounces, has been very useful for me in matches :)
Actually I would say 80% of developing and intermediate players cannot serve a good backspin variation of it, so I usually prepare to flick or loop when I see people winding up for it.
I actually serve a very heavy sidebackspin variant of it, and without fail people see my motion and think "sidetopspin 80% of the time" and just dump it straight into the net lol... I'm having trouble generating very heavy sidetopspin without it being too obvious tho, I think you definitely served some very heavy sidetopspin in your video and it definitely looked like it could be easily disguised with my sidebackspin movement. Your wrist movement is still up to down from the receivers point of used. I used to serve the side topspin with a down to up wrist movement like a reverse pendulum movement, but that seems to be quite easily detected haha, I've since switched back to using the forearm pronation method of serving sidetopspin which is better with deception, I think you're also using the same method...
The weird thing is I can disguise the spin well and I know how it works, but I still eat this serve for breakfast (my training partner serves a really wicked version of it too)
Tbh I feel like the hardest part of the hook serve is actually keeping it short. It just doesn't offer the same amount of length control compared to a reverse pendulum.
Yea it's so commonly topspin that any player who has a good deceptive backspin variation usually does well.
I find this serve relentlessly hard to keep short, I have to brush the ball quite soft which is not really ideal at all. I usually just go for broke and go half long and get as much kick as I can :D
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 6:19pm
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
This is the most deceptive serve ever imo...so difficult to read :(
Yes fortunately it's too late for most people to adapt to be aggressive once it bounces, has been very useful for me in matches :)
Actually I would say 80% of developing and intermediate players cannot serve a good backspin variation of it, so I usually prepare to flick or loop when I see people winding up for it.
I actually serve a very heavy sidebackspin variant of it, and without fail people see my motion and think "sidetopspin 80% of the time" and just dump it straight into the net lol... I'm having trouble generating very heavy sidetopspin without it being too obvious tho, I think you definitely served some very heavy sidetopspin in your video and it definitely looked like it could be easily disguised with my sidebackspin movement. Your wrist movement is still up to down from the receivers point of used. I used to serve the side topspin with a down to up wrist movement like a reverse pendulum movement, but that seems to be quite easily detected haha, I've since switched back to using the forearm pronation method of serving sidetopspin which is better with deception, I think you're also using the same method...
The weird thing is I can disguise the spin well and I know how it works, but I still eat this serve for breakfast (my training partner serves a really wicked version of it too)
Tbh I feel like the hardest part of the hook serve is actually keeping it short. It just doesn't offer the same amount of length control compared to a reverse pendulum.
Yea it's so commonly topspin that any player who has a good deceptive backspin variation usually does well.
I find this serve relentlessly hard to keep short, I have to brush the ball quite soft which is not really ideal at all. I usually just go for broke and go half long and get as much kick as I can :D
Haha yeah you almost trade length control for deception with the hook serve... But with more spin you just win more direct points to be honest so it more than compensates...
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 8:21pm
Something I'd like to do more of once I get things going, called in an assist from Team England's Sam Walker to offer a couple of tips and some demonstration alongside my 4 tips!
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 11:48pm
Just in case any of you are struggling with the lazy bug :)
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 04/03/2020 at 12:34am
Back to serves :P
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Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 04/11/2020 at 11:04am
I haven't watched all the videos yet. I'm doing them slowly. But I just wanted to mention that the box analogy in the simple backspin serve video really helped me.
For my level, I think my serves are really effective for achieving what I'm after. But they've always sucked. Sucked in the sense that if you just isolate the serve by itself, there's nothing special about it.
I've also been trying to reach a higher level, and my current serves just don't cut it whenever I play against the better members of my local club.
I've been thinking about rebuilding my serves and these videos are helping a lot. Keep them up.
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/11/2020 at 2:38pm
There is so much to say about the mindset while serving, the 3rd ball killer instinct can make the difference even with a weak serve. I know that I too often do a great serve (thanks to those buckets of serves in my basement) but then I stay out and the rally really starts with the serve return. I need to commit more to the 3rd ball and be more aggressive with it but there is a caveat: If I do a GREAT serve and it comes back, it's a great return just like my serve: higher than my general level.
So here is my observation: mickd is right because he has serves that integrate well with the rest of his game, there is harmony and everything improves together.
Having great serves is great if we can back them up with a 3rd ball and the rest of same level, all on par with the serve quality. If that is not happening, great serves are an overkill that will weigh on our mental balance. The satisfaction of an ace followed the next point by a 4th ball kill counter loop is classical a scenario in the game of a player who allocated too much time to serves compared to other strokes.
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/12/2020 at 5:15am
stiltt wrote:
There is so much to say about the mindset while serving, the 3rd ball killer instinct can make the difference even with a weak serve. I know that I too often do a great serve (thanks to those buckets of serves in my basement) but then I stay out and the rally really starts with the serve return. I need to commit more to the 3rd ball and be more aggressive with it but there is a caveat: If I do a GREAT serve and it comes back, it's a great return just like my serve: higher than my general level.
So here is my observation: mickd is right because he has serves that integrate well with the rest of his game, there is harmony and everything improves together.
Having great serves is great if we can back them up with a 3rd ball and the rest of same level, all on par with the serve quality. If that is not happening, great serves are an overkill that will weigh on our mental balance. The satisfaction of an ace followed the next point by a 4th ball kill counter loop is classical a scenario in the game of a player who allocated too much time to serves compared to other strokes.
Same here, my serves are way above the rest of the game that I'm not actually dealing with the returns well against good receivers.
But the idea is not to drop down the serving level, but to elevate the rest of my game to catch up
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/15/2020 at 11:18am
Back to it. I'm posting 30 coaching tutorial videos in 30 days. Here is day 3 on the basic backhand banana flick!
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/16/2020 at 11:37am
Day 4, switching sides to FH flick basics.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/17/2020 at 9:08pm
Day 5 of 30, serve practice habit advice
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 05/18/2020 at 10:04am
PingPongPom wrote:
Day 4, switching sides to FH flick basics.
Thanks a lot for this! There's a lot of interesting advice to unpack there... Especially the part about relying more on the forearm rather than the wrist. Once I get to play again I'm gonna go practice this with a partner haha...
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/18/2020 at 8:19pm
blahness wrote:
Thanks a lot for this! There's a lot of interesting advice to unpack there... Especially the part about relying more on the forearm rather than the wrist. Once I get to play again I'm gonna go practice this with a partner haha...
I hope it's sooner rather than later, you must be absolutely itching to get back to it! Thanks buddy!
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/18/2020 at 8:24pm
Day 6 of 30, for this video I just wanted you to think more about how of big an impact a small change in serve placement can have on the receiver! :)
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 05/19/2020 at 10:02am
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
Thanks a lot for this! There's a lot of interesting advice to unpack there... Especially the part about relying more on the forearm rather than the wrist. Once I get to play again I'm gonna go practice this with a partner haha...
I hope it's sooner rather than later, you must be absolutely itching to get back to it! Thanks buddy!
Yes, I'm really itching to play... I've in fact have almost completely overhauled my backhand topspin (through huge amounts of shadowing) to a superior movement, can't wait to test it out with real opponents! That and the FH flick which I was beginning to get a hang off before the virus incident...
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/23/2020 at 6:35pm
blahness wrote:
It's a lot easier when you have a tacky rubber :)
Also very true haha. Here's another for today:
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 05/23/2020 at 7:32pm
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
It's a lot easier when you have a tacky rubber :)
Also very true haha. Here's another for today:
Yes, for a lefty that is often the most effective serve, the short sidetop serve to the FH... I would definitely flick it most of the time to your BH, but there are other variations like the sideswipe to go down the line...also it's definitely possible to push a sidetopspin serve using the chopblock movement...I've seen players able to push that serve short lol...
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/23/2020 at 7:36pm
blahness wrote:
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
It's a lot easier when you have a tacky rubber :)
Also very true haha. Here's another for today:
Yes, for a lefty that is often the most effective serve, the short sidetop serve to the FH... I would definitely flick it most of the time to your BH, but there are other variations like the sideswipe to go down the line...also it's definitely possible to push a sidetopspin serve using the chopblock movement...I've seen players able to push that serve short lol...
I think that response kinda misses the whole point of the video.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/23/2020 at 7:52pm
blahness wrote:
Yes, for a lefty that is often the most effective serve, the short sidetop serve to the FH... I would definitely flick it most of the time to your BH, but there are other variations like the sideswipe to go down the line...also it's definitely possible to push a sidetopspin serve using the chopblock movement...I've seen players able to push that serve short lol...
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Nobody has ever pushed that serve short and gotten away with it unless I have been asleep at the wheel :P
The general idea is that people are welcome to try and return the serve in other ways than how I expect them to return it, but it will require a much higher degree of skill and a lot more risk on their part. If I come across a rare individual who can short push my topspin serve then I will change to something else. The other 1000 players I meet I can use this :P
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 05/23/2020 at 10:06pm
PingPongPom wrote:
blahness wrote:
Yes, for a lefty that is often the most effective serve, the short sidetop serve to the FH... I would definitely flick it most of the time to your BH, but there are other variations like the sideswipe to go down the line...also it's definitely possible to push a sidetopspin serve using the chopblock movement...I've seen players able to push that serve short lol...
Nobody has ever pushed that serve short and gotten away with it unless I have been asleep at the wheel :P
The general idea is that people are welcome to try and return the serve in other ways than how I expect them to return it, but it will require a much higher degree of skill and a lot more risk on their part. If I come across a rare individual who can short push my topspin serve then I will change to something else. The other 1000 players I meet I can use this :P
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Yeah agree with this... I do find that a lot of lefties abuse this serve to the max, even at the pro level!
Im finding that the sideswipe is super underutilized, not sure why...it is quite an effective way to receive this serve!
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/24/2020 at 6:56pm
Day 12!
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Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 05/24/2020 at 8:02pm
Cracking Job on these videos kudos
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/25/2020 at 3:14pm
ghostzen wrote:
Cracking Job on these videos kudos
Thanks, still a fair way to go! haha
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/25/2020 at 10:52pm
Detouring to do a few workout videos before getting back into table oriented vids.
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Date Posted: 05/26/2020 at 8:35pm
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/27/2020 at 8:55pm
Tough job following on from leg workout yesterday into forehand footwork today! :P
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/28/2020 at 6:49pm
First half down, challenging half to go!
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Date Posted: 05/30/2020 at 9:06pm
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/31/2020 at 8:12pm
I think this is an important area, especially for players aiming to break 2000 - it can make a significant difference in matches.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 05/31/2020 at 9:31pm
PingPongPom wrote:
I think this is an important area, especially for players aiming to break 2000 - it can make a significant difference in matches.
It seems a lot more effective in the video than it should be lol... but definitely a very good strategy when you have a good block and counterattack game. To infuriate your opponent even farther you could vary the spin in the long pushes, it can be sidespin loaded, or no spin (bumped back), or heavy backspin all with slightly different feeling in the contact and watch as the mistakes start happening
Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 06/01/2020 at 3:54pm
Joo Se Kev wrote:
Timely video, Matt! I'm planning on overhauling my pushing game and the long push is something I have decided to specifically dedicate some time to!
It's one of those things you can add a little work to and it can make a big impact in matches at the club and local tournament level, that's for sure! :)
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 06/01/2020 at 3:55pm
blahness wrote:
PingPongPom wrote:
I really liked this! Am now trying it out and it seems that it's exposing some weakness in my hip flexibility lol...
It's common for a lot of table tennis players, but goes unnoticed. A lot of it comes down to muscle imbalances in the core and lower back and the hips have to bear a lot of the pressure from posture adjustments etc. My hip flexors are in really bad shape from neglecting them for years so I have an anterior pelvic tilt and my ham strings are really tight. Nightmare overall haha trying my best to fix it.
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 06/01/2020 at 9:21pm
Day 20/30
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Date Posted: 06/03/2020 at 8:43pm
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Date Posted: 06/04/2020 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 06/05/2020 at 10:48pm
23 days down, 7 to go!
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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 06/06/2020 at 7:47pm
Speed training in today's video
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Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 06/06/2020 at 10:07pm
Great stuff Matt! Thanks for the videos!
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 06/06/2020 at 10:46pm