Adam Bobrov vs World no.8 Cheng I-Ching
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Topic: Adam Bobrov vs World no.8 Cheng I-Ching
Posted By: Simas
Subject: Adam Bobrov vs World no.8 Cheng I-Ching
Date Posted: 10/09/2020 at 4:53am
It did not end the way you expect  ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/09/2020 at 5:02am
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lmao watched this... i feel bad but i actually laughed so hard at the accident! ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 4:23am
| Woo! Thanks for posting this. |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 6:15am
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That was a fun video. Taiwan seems the place to be these days - good move by Adam and Jiaqi. |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 2:55am
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What I like about Adam Bobrow compared to for example Dan from TTD, that he plays 3-4 matches compare to 1, so you can see how they compare a little bit more... :) ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 7:41pm
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The injury really sucked because I really wanted to see more of the match!! Adam has a really good formula with his videos. He keeps it fun and exciting with not only the table tennis, but also showing us the country and the people as well.
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 8:21pm
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Adam is somewhat an ambassador for GEWO, payed employee. ITTF makes up for his traveling expenses.. LUCKY ONE HE IS. |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 10/15/2020 at 9:44am
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I-Ching seems nice. I wonder how much the players get paid. I mean, there must be an appearance fee of some sort. They're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I say I-Ching would take $500, Lin Yun-Ju and Lin Gaoyuan maybe $1000 each, and Harimoto nothing less than $2500. What do you guys think? |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/15/2020 at 11:04am
Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi. |
BeaverMD wrote:Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 10/16/2020 at 2:18am
Way more? Really? I'm not talking about appearing in a tournament or a corporate event. I'm talking about only appearing in Bobow's video. What is your number for the players I listed?
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Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 10/16/2020 at 9:41am
I'd guess they did it for free.
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Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/17/2020 at 7:13pm
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Everyone you have seen in these videos from Adam have done it for free. It's about 50-50 him asking the players or the players asking him to do the videos ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/17/2020 at 10:20pm
Hmmm, seems like the new stiltt is not much different than the old FATT. Sometimes it’s better just not to comment when you don’t know the whole story. Lol. ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/18/2020 at 12:40am
Late response but as I mentioned earlier I think these videos with Adam were done for free. It is a break from routine for them, he has rapport and friendship with a lot of the players, and it is free promotion for them. When it comes to purely business appearance fees, the pros charge a lot more. Think at least 5-10x your initial estimates.
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/18/2020 at 12:43am
How exactly are they taken hostage? Lin Yunju and Cheng Iching inviting their friends and family, picking him up from the train station, exchanging jokes, spending days or weekends , having meals together does not exactly sound like a hostage situation to me? Adam has rapport with a lot of these players. I know he is controversial and it is clear how you feel about him, but it is odd to call him a "random ittf journalist" "trying to elevate himself to their level" when he has a bigger following than most of the players. He is actually the one that can help them promote themselves. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/18/2020 at 2:17am
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Hmm I think he's a net benefit to the sport in general. Has quite infectious enthusiasm, definitely better than a lot of the other boring commentators who talk about mental strength all the time as if they're psychologists lol... But some of his videos on his YouTube channel are kinda cringe tbh... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 10/18/2020 at 3:52am
You don't sound like a very happy person. I'm not sure what your issues are, but Vince is a very nice guy who does a lot for table tennis.
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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 10/19/2020 at 3:29am
Some time ago I've read in a table tennis FB group I am in about pro salaries. Maybe everyone finds that interesting as I did: -players who are ~bellow ITTF250+ are playing for food, equipment and a butterfly suit. On a good day, they even may get 100eur for small expenses -players around ITTF250 earn on average 12-15000 EUR per season +bonuses for results, so on average around 100eur per victory -players around ITTF200-250 can expect 15-20000 EUR per season+some bonuses -players around ITTF150-200 can expect 18-22000 EUR per season+some bonuses -players around ITTF100-150 can earn up to 30000 per season, on average 25-27000 EUR per season -Crossing ITTF-100 is an important threshold in Table tennis. Top 100 players salaries start from 30000 eur per season. But it depends upon how stable are you. Whether you are always in the top 100 or if your ranking varies from for example ITTF-120 to ITTF-80... -players around ITTF-60 and up earn 40-50000 eur per season. Those who are stable above ITTF-50 earn not less then 60000EUR per season -players around ITTF-20 earn from 60-90000eur per season. But it may vary wildly depending on the results -top players get 150000-300000 eur per season or more. But, for example, stars like Timo Boll earn much more than that. Also, players get bonuses for taking first places in various tournaments, so this money usually goes only to top players naturally. Salaries in China are much bigger than in Euro ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 10/19/2020 at 7:22pm
| Yeah. That has been quoted around quite a lot. I suspect Adam's YouTube channel generates a lot more income than most pro players. I personally really like all of his videos :) |
Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 2:04am
I don't understand why you're angry when other people are having fun. It looks like Adam and the superstars are having a lot of fun together. As a bonus the videos show the viewers that superstars are human with a sense of humor. Adams videos are very good for table tennis.
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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 4:03am
looks not so shabby...  ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 4:13am
Tbh I totally get stilltt's perspective. It does look a bit shitty if he's not at least sharing some of the video revenues with the players, especially when he also benefited from their hospitality. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 4:23am
You've nailed why I found quite a few of his videos to be cringe.....just comes off as a self centred showoff....
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 7:56am
He's not a journalist, he's a clown. A clown is an entertainer. Entertainers direct attention to themselves as the primary function of their acts. The ITTF, that staid, dry, somber British organization it has always been, sitting on its hands as many other international sports skyrocketed to great growth and success in the Era of Professional Sports Development that came, lived, and then stabilized, was accosted with the thought that, gee, maybe we too could do what other sports, those now of enormous wealth and visibility, could do in terms of our sport's promotion. That this irritating and very anti-ITTF-history notion is 70 years late troubles not those responsible. Entering a stabilized business environment, populated by extremely powerful agents for the commercialized sports, is a task that may, at best, anticipate only slow, incremental advancement within the space, a space in which the oxygen is sucked up almost completely by the wealthy stakeholders of those commercialized sports. To that desirable but extremely difficult journey, a clown is selected to add to the entertainment dimension of the sport, a rare, rare attempt at addressing the more social aspect of table tennis. To this end, Adam is a very good choice. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 9:44am
How is this an acceptable post from an assistant admin?
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 11:40am
they would be even more "cringe" if he put some of these pro players front and center and gave them the stage...trust me on that
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 11:54am
I think there is a misunderstanding that Adam is a journalist...he's not. So whatever rules of journalistic integrity you think there are do not apply here...and if you guys are so disgusted by self-promoting online personalities, maybe the internet isn't the place for you in 2020...adam does very little of this in comparison to other online personalities. concerns about the players financial wellbeing doesnt strike me as genuine. they had free will in whether or not they wanted to participate and whatever arrangement was made behind the scenes doesn't concern us...all we need to know is they agreed to make the video and did so
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 1:01pm
In fact, it isn't a good look.
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Posted By: bes
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 1:29pm
I was wondering if anyone else noticed this and though it pretty strange (outrageous?). Why anyone (especially the Assistant Admin on a TT Forum!) would get so upset, uppity, and personal about TT Videos - especially videos that put a positive light on TT - is beyond me. If Adam's videos get more folks watching something TT related, they are a win in my book. I don't know Adam, any of the folks in his videos, or STILTT, but I know which of the above group seems to be doing more to promote TT. Adam and his TT Guests always seem to have a lot of fun. The videos (to me at least) illustrate that TT is a very athletic, challenging sport. They also show that TT, even at very high levels, is played by real (some really fun!) people. None of them appear to be doing their "Adam thing" at gunpoint or under threat of violence. I think his videos show the remarkable difficulty and different levels of TT. Even non-players should be impressed that top players can spot Adam (clearly a pretty darn good player himself) 7 points to 11 and win. I suspect Adam could spot something like half the players at my club 7 points. These same players could spot most "Garage or Basement" players 7 points. bes
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 4:02pm
Hmm I don't think so, if you look at Dan from TableTennisDaily who interviews and plays the pros, he comes off as a lot more genuine and way less cringe. Same for the Pongfinity guys who's probably raking in even more than Adam. Both are also much better players than Adam lol... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 4:30pm
What videos have Dan or Pongfinity done in which they are featuring the personalities of pro players center stage? I am not aware of any. Sponsored equipment reviews do not count. When Adam's niche seems to be the Asian pros that do not speak English or have much to offer entertainment-wise outside of table tennis, the options are limited. How much Adam makes or his playing level is kind of a random mention here, not sure what that has to do with anything I said. Clearly you have your mind made up and I'm not going to try to change it but I just find it odd that nobody ever expresses concerns for how pros are compensated for appearing in TTDaily equipment reviews, or calls pongfinity showoffs or self-promoters when the entire purpose of their channel is to go viral on social media by trying an over-the-top trickshot until it works and gets caught on video..makes you think. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 5:30pm
I'm fairly sure that TTD equipment reviews are sponsored hence the pros doing the reviewing will get a cut, like when they wear their sponsored T-shirts and use sponsored equipment.... Pongfinity with their trick shots, they're not showoffs at the expense of other people, but rather doing them just by themselves which is way cooler compared to Adam who wants to show how cool he is at the expense of other people aka "lul fooled you again with my snake" while editing out all the misses he did and points he lost... Adam just comes off as a lot cringier than the other 2 imo (but it's just my personal opinion).... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 8:45pm
| I don't personally like his videos at all but some people do and it's not worth having a flame war about it. I'm not a big fan of how he called matches either but somebody has to do it. If pro players agree to be part of his act that's their business. Maybe some politely decline? |
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 10/20/2020 at 9:16pm
I personally like his videos, so my response is likely bias. But he is doing what's needed in his own way to help table tennis grow. He has a really extravagant personality and I don't think that's bad at all. Being able to bring out the personalities of a lot of the pro players, many of whom can't speak much English at all is a skill that he excels at. Put many other people in his position to try and make a better video and I think 99% will fail. His videos are made to appeal to the masses, while still exposing them to the top players, how well they can play, and what table tennis is about: having fun!
Sorry about this. I will work to resolve this.
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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 10/22/2020 at 2:01pm
A fresh one  ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/22/2020 at 3:18pm
"I called Jiaqi less than a day before this match asking her to play...she was feeling low energy and a bit unwell that day, but she still played with me because she's super nice and a good friend. She already asked to play again" Sounds like another one got taken hostage by Adam!
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/22/2020 at 3:24pm
Apart from one post on this thread I don't think anything qualified as a flame war? Perhaps just some difference in opinion on what defines showing off or making a fool out of guests in your videos, or fake concerns for the financial compensation that pro players receive for taking part in his videos. I am sure there is a mix of Adam reaching out and being accepted or declined, and some mix of pro players reaching out as well. Why people want to jump up to "protect" the pro players who appear in his videos by their own choice, I don't know.
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 10/23/2020 at 1:01am
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Mytt lessons try to argue about imaginary wages just say pie in the sky dollar amounts then argue about that learn how to copy and paste the other copied and pasted quotes...............etc bring up old sh/t to get revenge and stir old feuds forget about the fun game on YouTube forget seeing some different cultures Don't look at the high level players having fun Everyone knows Adam is going far back and does his thing, don't watch if don't like it ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 10/23/2020 at 1:32am
Stockholm Syndrome. You're coming around.
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Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/23/2020 at 8:02pm
I'll respond to the first subject. I live on planet earth and based off of factual verified evidence I'm obviously the far superior player between the 2 middle aged players. LOL https://usatt.simplycompete.com/t/hh?p1=5294&p2=12818 ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/23/2020 at 8:50pm
Lol. I’ve broken more than one paddle in the last years. I even had one break in mid swing during a rally ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
.Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/23/2020 at 10:40pm
Actually I don’t know if I thought of a player as inferior. I think the times I’ve broken a blade after the match was because I just played bad didn’t matter who the opponent was. It’s been a while since I’ve intentionally broke one. Last break was when handle broke on a swing. ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/24/2020 at 9:24am
There's obviously only one way to resolve this: TOURNAMENT  |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/24/2020 at 9:54pm
The "friend" quote was from Adam, he said it in the video. Not me. Anyways, before you had said that Adam takes the pro players hostage to get attention from their fame, and now that that was thoroughly disproven you are saying that he is taking people in his path hostage by putting them at risk for COVID? I've never seen goalposts shift like that lol They are playing in a massive private playing hall, and it is just them. This is also filmed not in the US but in Taiwan, where COVID has essentially been eradicated. So how are "my friends" being unsafe and encouraging others to do so? You are reaching so hard here to hate, man, for no reason.
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/24/2020 at 10:20pm
Can't say I did much there but cheers
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