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Topic: which short pips...
Posted By: Joo Se Kev
Subject: which short pips...
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 6:09pm
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After reading several topics on various TT forums, I've decided to try out some short pips for chopping (like ding song or hou yingchao). From what I've gathered, most people suggest friendship 802. The only problem is that they never really specify which variation (802, 802-1, 802-40 etc) Do any of you have much experience with these rubbers, and if so, which do you believe would be best suited for a chopping game? I was kind of leaning towards either 802, or 802-40 both with a soft sponge at 1-1.3mm. |
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Posted By: melarimsa
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 6:15pm
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Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 6:42pm
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the 802-40 topsheet is pretty good for chopping. i've been chopping away with a sheet of 802-40 on a white jap sponge and its wicked. then i got another sheet of the 802-40 but on a soft dawei sponge and its even better. wanna buy it? lol only used 3 times xD
------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: 5jd33
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 6:57pm
will it fit a BTY defensive blade?  ------------- Haneyoshi/Globe 999/ TSP Spinpips |
Posted By: 5jd33
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 6:57pm
will it fit a BTY defensive blade?  ------------- Haneyoshi/Globe 999/ TSP Spinpips |
7homuz wrote:Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 7:20pm
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Not likely, since most defensive blades are bigger.
The -40 would be more for generating your own spin. The regular 802 is much less spinny, actually allowing a bit of spin to pass through if you chop it right. This is why ding actually used a hard, thin sponge with it. However, I've not found much success setting up people to chop with short pips. It takes an incredible touch and I'm sure a lot of patience to learn. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: sverige
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 7:30pm
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I think it is easyer to chop with short pips then long pips, gues it is becuse in my ''early'' days i chopped with a usual rubber. ------------- Donic J-O Waldner Carbon Senso Donic J-O Waldner red 2,3(bh) DHS Hurricane 3 black 2,2(fh) |
Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 7:40pm
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i agree with sverige, i acutally found chopping iwht the short pips easier then long pips. and no it won't fit lol ------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 8:24pm
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the regular 802 are not that good, the one that i like is the 802-40 with a 35 degree sponge, nice for backhand loops too and quite good for hitting ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Joo Se Kev
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 9:07pm
| yeah, I was kind of thinking of the 802-40 because I'd like to be able generate some moderate spin, but still have more control than an inverted rubber would. I figure it would still be easier than chopping with inverted because even though its relatively spinny, it won't be as affected by the opponents spin. I guess I'm looking for a compromise between long pips and inverted Does that make sense? |
Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 01/30/2007 at 9:14pm
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yeah, very good choice. you can even vary from really spinny to no spin, and its wicked. not THAT hard to do, even a noob like me can do that. so with practice you would be a really dangerous foe chopping with SP
------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: 5jd33
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 12:45am
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i have a sheet of BTY Challenger Chop cut to fit a Joo blade if you are interested ------------- Haneyoshi/Globe 999/ TSP Spinpips |
Posted By: bogeyhunter9
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 12:48am
It might be easier but I'm sure it's effect is less than LP. ------------- Rating : 2000 Hallmark Aurora + TSP Curl P1-R 0.5 mm/Globe 999 blue. Dr.N Firewall Plus+Globe 999 Red+Destroyer OX/Saviga V OX. Speed glue long pips.. |
Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 1:51am
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thats argueable. long pips will have a more 'weird' effect as in spin reversals and stuff, but short pips will have more effect in changing outgoing spin. i'd say if you know what spin you are giving the long pips, you will be safer against them, whereas with shortpips you would have to be good at reading spin too.
------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: shij421
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 2:13am
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shortpips would be hard to chop with when you're under heavy topspin attacks. It is relatively more susceptible to spin compared to LP.
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Posted By: kollins
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 10:07am
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There are a few interesting tadeoffs when chopping with SP's vs
LP's. First off. The control with SP's is almost always going to
be better with SP's. With the exception of distance! I think most
chops at the long distance with LP's are able to create much heavier
underspin and add slight control. The counterattacking backhand is much better with short pips! When HYC attacks with his backhand its a beautiful thing. When a LP's chopper attacks with the backhand its never a sure put away shot. You'll see matsush*ta and joo make this mistake often. Variations of spin closer to the table is also a SP's strength. The First Chop with LP's is critical. Its spin is usually very predicatble and not the strongest and therfore needs to be low and have good placement. Watch the latest Joo vd Wang Hao game. Hao never hesitates to kill a thirdball right to joo's middle. SP's can vary the amount with greater underspin closer to the table. ------------- Shibutani ST Tackifire C Feint Soft |
Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 11:50am
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good job kollins!
------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: Joo Se Kev
Date Posted: 01/31/2007 at 4:49pm
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good info kollins, that makes a lot of sense to me. I find that most of the time against players who don't generate a lot of topspin, long pips really are out of their element because a chop against a drive won't have much spin on it. So I was thinking short pips would be superior in that situation. Of course against strong loops at a long distance, long pips are most likely a lot more effective. What do you guys think about sponge thickness? 1.0mm? soft or hard? |