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    Posted: 04/26/2016 at 6:10pm
Blades for OX rubber to play Push Blocker style with FH smooth rubber to attack.
Research from members' suggestion.
Some say Defplay. While some suggest Dr. N series like Firewall. 

I watched some good penhold PB players, like 2500-2600. Their blades don't seem slow like Defplay or fast like thick balsa from Dr.N. What blades do the top Chinese  players play ? 5 or 7 Plies?


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Shakehand pushblocker != cpen pushblocker 
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In my opinion, the best penhold blade to play with OX and inverted rubbers is BTY Paradox. It´s a Arylate-Carbon blade slower than Taksim.
I´ve also seen a high level player using BTY Selebes (Arylate only), it´s thicker and more squared than Paradox. I still prefer Paradox.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

In my opinion, the best penhold blade to play with OX and inverted rubbers is BTY Paradox. It´s a Arylate-Carbon blade slower than Taksim.
I´ve also seen a high level player using BTY Selebes (Arylate only), it´s thicker and more squared than Paradox. I still prefer Paradox.
The OP said the LP on BH; I think penhold push blocker has LP on FH, am I wrong?
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I think OP is a shake hand player

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@Egghead. I understand what you mean.

My dilemma is:
Defplay played ok but just little too slow. 
Firewall was way too fast, for me, to feel anything. Balls from BH return with more reverse spin but very hard to control. I also tried Titan. Like Firewall but different wood to make BH side slower than FH. But I hate the feeling of thick balsa combo with smooth rubber.

Any good blade in middle ? 
Does the OX plays good in soft & flex blade or little hard but still flex blade?  
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

@Egghead. I understand what you mean.

My dilemma is:
Defplay played ok but just little too slow. 
Firewall was way too fast, for me, to feel anything. Balls from BH return with more reverse spin but very hard to control. I also tried Titan. Like Firewall but different wood to make BH side slower than FH. But I hate the feeling of thick balsa combo with smooth rubber.

Any good blade in middle ? 
Does the OX plays good in soft & flex blade or little hard but still flex blade?  
Actually, I think a right LP make a big different. OX is better with hard blade.

My coach asked me to try the Monophonic, but it was out of the production. May be you can try the Andro Fibercomp Def. It is Balsa core, but I don't think it is as thick as other balsa blades.

P.S. Thanks for the info, I was thinking to try the Defplay Wink
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

@Egghead. I understand what you mean.

My dilemma is:
Defplay played ok but just little too slow. 
Firewall was way too fast, for me, to feel anything. Balls from BH return with more reverse spin but very hard to control. I also tried Titan. Like Firewall but different wood to make BH side slower than FH. But I hate the feeling of thick balsa combo with smooth rubber.

Any good blade in middle ? 
Does the OX plays good in soft & flex blade or little hard but still flex blade?  

Defplay played ok but just little too slow - defplay is more of a spin base type of blade. Provide good feedback - bite the ball well but way too soft to block close to table with GOOD consistency. Many ppl claimed they can do it......yes a few shots, but to win VS 2100+.......not many can do in tournament. (as far as I know, no 2100+ blocker uses Defplay)
It's a pure chopping blade.

Thick balsa dies with 40+ ball. Much harder to play with Balsa with 40+. IMO Currently, Dr.N products are behind trend. 

Since you have many blades, find one with 1. 5 ply all wood. 2. More of a slow side. 3. Solid but feel "Hollow" for lots of blocking or medium/firm feel for lots of attacking.

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Originally posted by bogeyhunter bogeyhunter wrote:


Thick balsa dies with 40+ ball. Much harder to play with Balsa with 40+.


Can you please elaborate?

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I agree with bogeyhunter. Thick balsa blades are crap for the new plastic ball. I used to play reimpact blades and own almost anyone under 2300 but with the new ball the blade is useless. The ball is heavier and it pops up too much. I really like Osp immune ox. It's a combo blade and very stable and had the right weight 84 grams.
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I use a Stiga Defensive Wood with slow long pips. It works good with new 40+ Nittaku Premium Ball.
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

@Egghead. I understand what you mean.

My dilemma is:
Defplay played ok but just little too slow. 
Firewall was way too fast, for me, to feel anything. Balls from BH return with more reverse spin but very hard to control. I also tried Titan. Like Firewall but different wood to make BH side slower than FH. But I hate the feeling of thick balsa combo with smooth rubber.

Any good blade in middle ? 
Does the OX plays good in soft & flex blade or little hard but still flex blade?  

Maybe I should answer, as Firewall and Defplay were my previous blades.

Firewall is definately too fast and lacks control. It's a nice "drill blade". Everything goes well with easy and well readed balls, but in real games you lose ton of points by easy mistakes.

Defplay worked well for me with the old ball, but it's bit too slow for me, but it's definately playable, if you got the hand speed reguired.

Now I play with Joola Chen Weixing blade and I have been very happy with it. It has good speed and T05 max fits it perfectly for the FH, great for looping and fishing. BH with ox pips has just right speed, if you choose something from slower half of pips. I play with cropcircles. JCW don't have same catapult or vibrations like Defplay. Straight handle is great and weight with ox rubber is just right. I bought my blade for 33€.

Here is video of me (black shirt, red shoes) playing with CWX blade, T05 and Cropcircles ox.



I have also tested other blades. Matsushita pro is my old blade, but it's way on the slow side, but playable. Dwell time with T05 ridiculous...Tongue It's not so good with many ox pips in my opinion. TSP reflex def blade is way way too slow for me...

Non-def blades have bad feeling for chops, so I don't see them as option.

I met couple of really good ox pips players and they both used some kind of Stiga def blades. Those were really slow and they blocked very well with ox pips, but I wouldn't get any speed out of them in the FH. They are for the close the table play or for the chopping far away.
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Originally posted by macpoddy macpoddy wrote:

I agree with bogeyhunter. Thick balsa blades are crap for the new plastic ball. I used to play reimpact blades and own almost anyone under 2300 but with the new ball the blade is useless. The ball is heavier and it pops up too much. I really like Osp immune ox. It's a combo blade and very stable and had the right weight 84 grams.
Some LPs are easier to hv a pops up than the other LPs on a thick balsa.  You need to do an active blocking instead of passive blocking, but it is hard to do in real games with players can loop fast and furious Dead.

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