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kyle90
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Posted: 04/10/2011 at 10:42am |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvZvUchfwU
Cory Eider shows how to beat pushblocker with a rather unorthodox serve |
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chu_bun
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It looks like he was better prepared for the match. It may not work for the next time around when the surprised factor is not there. Interesting idea though. I'll try throwing high ball to the LP players here and see how they react.
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unorthodox is certainly correct...yet strangely effective.
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Another excellent example of adapting. I saw this and I thought Ragu was brilliant. I wonder if these games were played at the same time. In the past Pushblocker usually was able to make the other guy play his game. It looks like Cory and Ragu found a way to change the game and even though it wasn't their strength it was a relative strength that they could exploit. Wetzler played a stupid game in comparison. Wetzler didn't play his game but played Pushblocker's. The Youtube comment box said that Wetzler is a long pips chop blocker but he tried to be an attacker and attack Pushblocker. Attacking doesn't appear to be Wetzlers strength. I think we all have seen videos Pushblocker completely frustrate much better attackers than Wetzler. I subscribe to Pushblocker's Youtube channel. There are so many videos where people try over power Pushblocker by looping into his pips. How stupid. I have noted that in some matches only one out of four attacks by Pushblocker land. I was wondering when someone simply not risk hitting balls into the net and hit the balls a little higher because Pushblocker's attack success rate is low. I didn't expect to see high balls as in these videos though. Someone wrote on this forum. "Your strength to his weakness". That could be modified to "Your relative strength to his relative weakness". So much depends on your ability to find your opponents weakness early. |
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LOL When I was watching that vid, I thought Wetzler might be thinking about killing himself...
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I liked Ragu in the big bang theory.
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Im surprised nobody has done this earlier, love the smack talk behind the camera. thumbs up
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dragon kid
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I've seen this tactics before. My club mate who uses LP got owned by a player who serves long, high, no spin ball to his wide BH. Mixed with a short no spin ball serve on FH. This will have a devastating effect. The server almost can drive or kill the return. My mate don't have a chance.
IMO, if the LP player who receive it have rather slow footwork and not so good forehand, this will work. But against someone who has a decent footwork and forehand, this won't work. In pushblocker case, he almost never use FH. That is why it worked. |
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Pushblocker
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Both, Cory and Ragu played excellent and creative strategies. They were prepared for my game but I already started backhand smashing training and will be ready the next time just like they were ready for me.
I'm not really worried about others using those strategies as both of my opponents were mid 2300 players and executed at mid 2300 level. I doubt that any lower rated players will be able to execute at that level. Furthermore, I will practice smashing extensively. Edited by Pushblocker - 04/10/2011 at 3:45pm |
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"Higher rated" players are supposed to know how to beat everyone rated lower, or else they should be rated lower by default! I always read with amusement/amazement when someone posts how easy Player A (100+ pts higher) beat Player B... |
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Pushblocker, I think once you practice smashing and are ready for those high balls, and hit a few smashes on those high balls when playing them, they will dare not try it. I just went to long pips and was having a great time with it, but then my opponents started serving long and deep into my for hand and when I would block they would just smash and win the point and I really had no answer to that. anyhow, I practiced flipping my blade and loop killing any long serve that was on my backhand or returning short serves with heavy underspin with my inverted. I played with the same guys again and everytime they tried to serve long, I flipped my paddle and loop killed the ball. So they stopped doing that. Pushblocker is a very smart player and I am sure he will be ready for them next time. And I sure those smiles wont last long on his opponents faces. |
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Good game though.
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popperlocker
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don't forget that cory is a 2300 player. He has speed, placement, and is great at reading spin.
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OT, my buddy Duc Loi has been playing with DtecS for a while now and he's issued a challenge to you. I have been playing with him lately and his push against underspin is getting very nasty... |
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I'm looking forward playing Duc Loi again! It was fun playing him...
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that is an interesting tactic, certainly different from the typical low serving business. I wont laugh, but marvel at the difference in strategy!
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His "core" strategy is really nothing new.. Low spin loops from both sides and patience to go for the kill on the right ball.. The only difference was the "special" serve. However, the "special" serve is the one part of the game that will backfire if he'll try it again next time as I will be ready.. It has not been something that I have ever played against and therefore it's something that I haven't practiced against but I will now.. I will also practice against lobs.. I did lose to Adam Bobrow in 2009 when he lobbed me down.. Once I'm better against lobs and high serves, I will not have problems with those styles anymore. Back at the 2010 NA Teams, I did play against Adam Brown from Alabama (rated in the high 2100's). He played basically the same strategy as Cory Eider, just didn't execute at the level of Cory.
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You realize they weren't talking behind your back? They were saying it pretty loudly knowing that you could hear them from the middle aisle, and that you would hear it on the camera recordings.
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Thomasson
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Making a tutorial is to much for this guy.. I wouldn't even consider calling it tabletennis playing him.
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It's known as Ping-Pong or Ping-Pang-Cho, not table tennis where they are played in most parts of the world. It's just a game... |
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Say what you want, he don't care, he'll just take your rating points and trophies regardless of how you view his style. Video could also be called, "fun table tennis times" or "how to beat a guy over 100 points lower rated than you" Everyone knows a basic tactic for long pips is long and little spin, he just added "really high up to their backhand corner side" which is another hard place to deal with balls because you either do something very awkward or run around to your forehand side and leave yourself totally out of place and off balance. |
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There is a guy at our club who plays a bit like Pushblocker, except he plays equally on FH+BH and may be a bit better at this technique than PB, hard to say from looking at videos. Anyway, he used pimples both sides, mixture of medium/long. Moves well too. Tends to stand close to table and blocks everything close to table - fast hard loops, slow, spinny, non spinny and attacks high balls. Horrible variable spins coming back to you over and over again. I Can hit 5 or 6 super spin loops, and some fast ones, usually no effect, usually need to hit very hard and accurately to get it past him. Highly effective and difficult to play against. I played him in the semi of our club handicap this year and lost pretty easily although have taken games off him in the past, never won a best of 5. It might not be Table Tennis as we like it or know it but it is damned effective.
On a side note, seems a bit lame that they couldn't be bothered having any sort of barriers to stop some of the balls coming over from other tables... Edited by riker71 - 04/11/2011 at 6:07am |
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I think it's rather strange that alot of people try and just hit off long pimples blockers without any thought to whats happening with the ball. It's a bit like driving in perfect conditions at 70 and then driving at 70 in a snow storm and wondering why you crashed. They are different!. You need to change to suit the condtions (change in spin etc). Out think them and then out play them if you can. There's a limit to what the bat can do, expoit it if you can and the sytle becomes easier to playI've played a fair few of the more disruptive styles in the past and going on thinking you will blast them off the table normally means one thing..you will lose..
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He wont take any of my rating points, hell if I was him I wouldnt even cheer after I won a match just because I give the opponents a horrible time by doing close to completely nothing. It is a fact this shows a severe lack of technique, this also shows by him not using his forehand, completely depending on his disturbing effect of his rubber. The funniest part is, saying hes constantly busy improving his game, but still neglecting his forehand completely.
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It actually shows your lack of technique if you can't play against that style.. Do a youtube search on heavyspin, pushblocker and check out the match of Larry Bavly against me. He beat me by topspinning because he has the technique and doesn't need some lame azz excuse like you.
It's also funny how you and others think that it doesn't take any technique to play my style. It's a DIFFERENT technique.. I'd offer a bet to you.. Play my style with my racket at the next Florida State Championship and look if you can win the State Championhsip playing my playing style.. You won't even win one match using my equipment and playing style.. It's not LACK of technique.. It's a different type of technique..but players like you only see your own technique as the only valid one.
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a DIFFERENT technique is correct totally. The tools that PB has to win a match are different that the norm attacking sytle. This doesn't make it any better or worse. While he doesn't have a super forehand loop/or hit he does what he does very well for the level he plays it works. Also to try and keep improving is a wonderful thing. Improving shots and trying new things will in the end improve the overall level making him harder to beat.
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Each style has the right equipment. Just like my style wouldn't work with your equipment, your style wouldn't work with mine. I'd bet $$$ that you would not get to my rating with my equipment if you would be playing in the US..
I'm certain because only a handful people with my close to the table blocking style have ever gotten to the level that I'm playing at. In the last 10 - 15 years, there have only been about 10 close to the table long pips blockers (in this country) who got to mid 2200 level or higher.
(and from those who don't attack frequently, there were only 3 in 15 years.. Me, Li, Zhi-Ming and Peter Chen) Edited by Pushblocker - 04/11/2011 at 8:36am |
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