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For all those bashing pushblocker, why dont you guys put your videos up so we can see how good your style or technique is. It is very easy to judge or criticize.  I think most of pushblocker haters are just jealous. Atleast pushblocker has the courage to post his videos up rather than sitting in a different country and talking smack. I dont care what anyone says you cant get to his level of play that easy. Ask around how many people playing table tennis is US break into a 2200+ level and how long it takes.  
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I get this with people all the time, crap players always talking above their level off the table. They need to start doing they're talking on the table.


...you mean exactly like what your doing here?

I don't know how deep the talent level is in England, but the guy your bashing would be nearing the top 100 active players, though honestly he's not near as good as many of the guys who just showed up to a 2 star tournament I was at last week, where a 2600 and many 2500 players showed up.
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In the UK there are certain areas with a high population of good players. I think forum member APW is around the 100 mark in the rankings.
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That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.

He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 
 
Here is how Cory plays against a conventional opponent:
 
He isn't that bad.. He is a solid 2300 level player..
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.

He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 
 
Here is how Cory plays against a conventional opponent:
 
He isn't that bad.. He is a solid 2300 level player..


lol, I already posted a link to that same match.
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Originally posted by jayharoons jayharoons wrote:

For all those bashing pushblocker, why dont you guys put your videos up so we can see how good your style or technique is. It is very easy to judge or criticize.  I think most of pushblocker haters are just jealous. Atleast pushblocker has the courage to post his videos up rather than sitting in a different country and talking smack. I dont care what anyone says you cant get to his level of play that easy. Ask around how many people playing table tennis is US break into a 2200+ level and how long it takes.  
 
For many people who are not in the USA, they don't know what our ratings mean.. I know that my game looks like crap but the fact is that I'm in the top 2 - 3 % of all players in the country.. I'd still consider that level to be recreational (for fun) table tennis.. Serious table tennis starts at the top 1% in the country.. At least that is my take..
I know that for example in table tennis strongholds like germany, someone with a mid 2200 rating would play in the highest state league (Verbandsliga)  in most states and actually get paid for playing..  (This is based on ratings achieved by players who play in those leagues and have tournament results in the USA).  Of course, many would claim that I would never be able to compete at that level there as everyone there knows how to play against my style Tongue 
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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.

He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 
 
Here is how Cory plays against a conventional opponent:
 
He isn't that bad.. He is a solid 2300 level player..


lol, I already posted a link to that same match.
 
sorry, i missed that..
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.

He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 

 

Here is how Cory plays against a conventional opponent:

 


He isn't that bad.. He is a solid 2300 level player..


All I'm saying is I see people like this all the time at tournaments, cocky arrogant thinking they're clever. Let's be honest if this was a official behind closed doors match would he have done that serve? No of course he would he is trying to humiliate his opponent.

I'm not a great player but I would say I'm pretty solid... But no matter who my opponent is I show them respect.
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the level PB plays at definitely takes skill.  If the way he plays is not considered playing Ping Pong or sucks, or doesn't require skill, i'd like to see somebody pick up a long pips and play that way.  

Regardless of how he lost to the 2300 player, everybody should realize that hes still 2200 which is still very good in the u.s especially for a recreational player that has had little to no coaching.

I personally find LP easy to play against but i won't even get into that argument
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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.

He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 

 

Here is how Cory plays against a conventional opponent:

 


He isn't that bad.. He is a solid 2300 level player..


All I'm saying is I see people like this all the time at tournaments, cocky arrogant thinking they're clever. Let's be honest if this was a official behind closed doors match would he have done that serve? No of course he would he is trying to humiliate his opponent.

I'm not a great player but I would say I'm pretty solid... But no matter who my opponent is I show them respect.
I'm 100% certain that he played that serve to gain a advantage and for no other reason. Like others said, I almost beat him a few months earlier.. I actually should've beaten him 3:0 but I played stupid after a 2:0 lead against him and it got to game 5.. I was cramping like crazy as he made me move more than I usually have to move and still got to lead 9:7 in game 5.. I messed it up and he won but it chould've gone the other way with a little bit of luck..
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he is trying to humiliate by using a serve that he knows his opponent will have diffulty with???? Why, we should all be serving easy serves to our opponents then, lest we be accused of disrespect. In fact, it is quite humiliating to lose to a long pips player who just pushes and blocks. Is that a sign of disrespect as well on the part of the lp player?
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

he is trying to humiliate by using a serve that he knows his opponent will have diffulty with???? Why, we should all be serving easy serves to our opponents then, lest we be accused of disrespect. In fact, it is quite humiliating to lose to a long pips player who just pushes and blocks. Is that a sign of disrespect as well on the part of the lp player?
 
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oh.. That is even worse.. Losing to somebody twice your age.. Who just stands there! :)
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

he is trying to humiliate by using a serve that he knows his opponent will have diffulty with???? Why, we should all be serving easy serves to our opponents then, lest we be accused of disrespect. In fact, it is quite humiliating to lose to a long pips player who just pushes and blocks. Is that a sign of disrespect as well on the part of the lp player?
 
Have you ever played Peter Chen? try eating humble pie.LOL
 
Well, there is also Zhi-Ming Li who beat Casba Bence (2600 rated) with exactly that style that me and Peter Chen play..
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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:

Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.

He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 


I don't think you get what's going on in the video...he knows the best way to beat pushblocker is unorthodox serves and consistent, slower looping, and everyone's strokes look bad when playing PB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3HCurxIv64

All i'm saying is the guy thinks he's clever laughing when he's doing these kind off serves, this guy would get embarrassed by any top 200 UK Player. As for the people talking s*** behind the camera i bet they're also crap players. 

I get this with people all the time, crap players always talking above their level off the table. They need to start doing they're talking on the table.


Even pushblocker was laughing, its called having a lighter side to you? Still in all it was a serious strategy and not disrespect, nobody was disputing that. One of the people talking s*** was Barney Reed Jr....I'd suggest you not jump to any conclusions.
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Who is barney reed junior? Never heard of him. Is he ranked top 10 in world?
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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

Who is barney reed junior? Never heard of him. Is he ranked top 10 in world?


No.

Are you in the position to call someone top 10 in the USA a "crap player"?
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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:


Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:


Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

That serve is so disrespectful, that cory guy has really low level basic strokes i dont know much about the rating system in the US but im surprised he is that high rated.
He's obviously cocky hence that ridiculous serves, i'd love to see him get hammered by a decent attacker (no offence PushB) 
I don't think you get what's going on in the video...he knows the best way to beat pushblocker is unorthodox serves and consistent, slower looping, and everyone's strokes look bad when playing PBhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3HCurxIv64

All i'm saying is the guy thinks he's clever laughing when he's doing these kind off serves, this guy would get embarrassed by any top 200 UK Player. As for the people talking s*** behind the camera i bet they're also crap players. 
I get this with people all the time, crap players always talking above their level off the table. They need to start doing they're talking on the table.


How can an effective serve be disrespectful?

As for the laughter, I agree that it is disrespectful, but at the same time, you have to be able to see the fun part about it, that a really crappy serve can be used as a weapon against some one who you might lose to with your A-game.

As for a 2200 player getting paid, I doubt he will get paid anything but peanuts. Then again, there is probably more money in the sport in Germany then there is here in Sweden.
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Wasn't disrespectful.. maybe a little bit at the very end of game 3 where he does it over and over and goes for multiple f-you loop kills on the return but that's about it. Just a clever adaptation against a tricky style. More important than the serve; the guy wised up to what I believe is the right approach - safe control looping and even a few pushes here and there, picking the right ball to kill. Last time around he was just trying to power through everything like a robot.
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Pushblocker is a really fun guy to play against, and the truth is he does not take things seriously.  He just loves to play!  All his online bragging sounds crass but in person he's very friendly and courteous.  He never talks trash during games or confront a player or coach, and he never gets upset or curse at anyone when he plays except at himself, no matter what happens.  Just ask "Dr. Heavyspin" Larry Bavly, who is as intelligent, skilled and impartial as anyone on this forum.  Olivier does not deserve all the bad rap some posters are determined to smear him with.  The only thing I agree with his critics is he takes his bragging too far at times, although I understand he sees all his table tennis accomplishments as a self-parody of sorts, i.e. a "self-taught no talent guy beating all these 'good' players".   LOL

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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

Who is barney reed junior? Never heard of him. Is he ranked top 10 in world?


He's rated about 2600 atm, finished 6th in the national team trials. And before you start slinging insults around about US table tennis think about where your from and how many legit pro players you have and how good you are.
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If it's winning you points it's not disrespectful.
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Ha, you have everyone fired up . Wish I can play against that fellow ... Anyway, finish him off the next time u meet him to silent any critics.    
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSq4gF-A89M
 as a side note both players serves were a little bit dodgy Cory thows it back/sideways quite a bit (which seems tollerated at all levels including the top) but against the rules in therory and the guy in black hides his serves slightly with his body and has an intersting trick using his black rubber agaist his black shirt, I think Cory has great fighting skills, and is adaptable and clever, by doing the chicken walk when the opponent got a net, many towel breaks and self motivating himself and a cocky attatude that makes you want to smack him lol

 Tactics play a bit part in Table Tennis so a bouncy serve that is working is just a tactic that was working and shouldn't be called disrespectfull more the opposite

other potenial ways of returning the serve is inverted rubber block,inverted smash, moving your feet and taking it on the forehand, long pips inverted type attack off the bounce and changing to your left hand and smacking it
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where can I see a video of top 250 english player?
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Those of you complaining / bashing, I'm curious, try the following quiz:

3 players, one variation - I'm sure you've seen all three types in your climb to even a moderate level of skill / tournament experience.  So tell me how you beat them:

1) shakehander, anti-spin on the backhand, attacks loose balls with flat hits off the forehand.
2) shakehander, medium pips on the backhand, inverted forehand.  Strong loop, but what I'm curious about is, tell me how this player uses those medium pips, and what is your basic strategy.
3) penholder, long pips forehand and backhand, plays close to the table.
4) number 2 again, but this time they're a lefty if you're right handed, righty if you're left handed.

A few sentences on each will suffice - tell me about your serves, third ball strategy, pitfalls to avoid, and weaknesses you expect.  PM me so no one copies your answers and I'll post everything in a weeks time.


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Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

where can I see a video of top 250 english player?


I played against one a while back (probably in the UK top 200)... 2200-2250ish to my estimate.
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Originally posted by chronos chronos wrote:

Those of you complaining / bashing, I'm curious, try the following quiz:

3 players, one variation - I'm sure you've seen all three types in your climb to even a moderate level of skill / tournament experience.  So tell me how you beat them:

1) shakehander, anti-spin on the backhand, attacks loose balls with flat hits off the forehand.
2) shakehander, medium pips on the backhand, inverted forehand.  Strong loop, but what I'm curious about is, tell me how this player uses those medium pips, and what is your basic strategy.
3) penholder, long pips forehand and backhand, plays close to the table.
4) number 2 again, but this time they're a lefty if you're right handed, righty if you're left handed.

A few sentences on each will suffice - tell me about your serves, third ball strategy, pitfalls to avoid, and weaknesses you expect.  PM me so no one copies your answers and I'll post everything in a weeks time.
 
even with these specs, each player will play/react differently to incoming and creating spin. it'll be difficult to pin down how to beat a certain style because you also need to take into account if they will adjust to you after the first game. 
I play pips players a little differently depending on if they know how to play my med pips and inverted.
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People who answer the quiz can add whatever elements and constraints they need to make it concrete, I'd expect it to draw from personal experience and relate specifically to their own style of play.
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Originally posted by pinger123 pinger123 wrote:

Who is barney reed junior? Never heard of him. Is he ranked top 10 in world?


Pump your brakes kid. That man's a national treasure Stern Smile
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