Qiu Dang

Does anyone knows what Qiu Dang is using?

I love how his shirt says "shakehands"

how many more wins will it take for butterfly to name a blade after him? 

innerforce alc + both sides 09C

timoboll89 wrote: innerforce alc + both sides 09C

Officially the best penhold player in the world and I think he would give a good game to anyone in China as well. 

Simon_plays wrote: Officially the best penhold player in the world and I think he would give a good game to anyone in China as well.  Amazing to think that he achieved all this whilst not even focussing on the game full time whilst finishing high school.

Better then XX?

I like Qiu Dang, he's humble and his strokes just look so pleasant and stylish haha

jackwong23 wrote: Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now.  Best penhold player outside china

Overrated by your biased standard against WCT. Be consistent.   

In 53 encounters with CNT, WCT has defeated once XX(out of 11) and LJK(out of 5), and 5 CNT players in his junior days.
In 13 encounters with CNT, Qiu Dang has defeated once Xue Fei(out of 2) and Zhao Zhaoyan(out of 1).

Even in the same age segment(~26), WCT had already run into the CNT 36 times.

Also look up their records against Japan and Korea, you would notice Qiu Dang has run into so few of them as well, despite being just 5 years younger. 38(14W) vs 62(34W) for Japan, 14(6W) vs 61(29W) for Korea. Other than Mizutani and(WCT beat him once at Asian Cup 2016) Togami, WCT has defeated everyone on the current JNT. Other than Cho Daeseong and Kang Dongsoo, WCT has defeated everyone on the current KNT.

For Germany, WCT is 21(9W). Other than Boll and Ovtcharov, he has defeated Fejer-Konneth, Franziska, Filus, Duda, et al.

Edited by zeio - 06/23/2022 at 3:54pm

Same with Qiu Dang's abysmal record against Hong Kong. His last encounter was a 0-4 against Ho Kwan Kit in 2018. Look it up. As you mention, that is history, which is why I didn't mention it.

I'm using your biased standard against WCT for Qiu Dang here, by cherry picking countries against which he performed poorly, but the difference here is that China, Germany, Japan and South Korea happen to be the top 4 finishers at Rio 2016 and Tokyo 2020.

A decade ago? C'mon. You never look it up, do you? The ONLY time WCT won a World Tour in singles was at Czech Open 2015, where he beat Yoshimura in the final, Gauzy in SF, LSS in QF, Hielscher in R16, Oshima in R32, and Liventsov in R64.

Now that we're comparing titles, let me know when Qiu Dang has achieved this much now that his seeding will get him deep in the draw, who's already past the age of WCT when the latter earned most of these:
MS:
QF at WTTC 2017, 1-4 LSS while playing on one leg
Bronze at World Cup 2016, 4-2 Monteiro in R16, 4-0 LSS in QF, 1-4 XX in SF, 4-1 K. Karlsson in 3rd place match
Bronze at Asian Cup 2016, 3-0 Achanta, 0-3 ZJK, 0-3 LSS in group, 4-2 Mizutani in QF(he actually beat him this once), 2-4 ZJK in SF, 4-2 Gao Ning in 3rd place match
Winner at Czech Open 2015, 4-0 Liventsov in R64, 4-2 Oshima in R32, 4-1 Hielscher in R16, 4-3 LSS in QF, 4-1 Gauzy in SF, 4-2 Yoshimura in F
Finalist at Spanish Open 2015, 4-0 Sakai in R64, 4-2 Smirnov in R32, 4-0 Kim Minhyeok in R16, 4-3 Niwa in QF, 4-3 Matsudaira in SF, 0-4 Yoshimura
MD:
Finalist w/ Ho Kwan Kit at WTGF 2018, 2-3 JWJ/LJH
Winner w/ Ho Kwan Kit at Hong Kong Open 2018, 3-0 Morizono/Oshima
Finalist w/ Ho Kwan Kit at WTGF 2017, 3-4 Morizono/Oshima
Finalist w/ Ho Kwan Kit at Swedish Open 2017, 1-3 FZD/XX
QF w/ Ho Kwan Kit at WTTC 2017, 3-4 FZD/XX
Bronze w/ Ho Kwan Kit at ATTC 2017, 0-3 FB/ZY
Winner w/ Ho Kwan Kit at Slovenia Open 2016
Winner w/ Tang Peng at Russian Open 2014
Winner w/ Tang Peng at Australian Open 2014
Winner w/ Tang Peng at Spainish Open 2014
Winner w/ Jiang Tianyi at German Open 2012
XD:
Finalist w/ DHK at WTT Contender Zagreb 2022, 0-3 Harimoto/Hayata
Winner w/ DHK at Hungarian Open 2020, 3-2 Franziska/Solja
Winner w/ DHK at Australian Open 2019, 3-0 LSS/JJH in SF, 3-1 Mizutani/Ito in F
Winner w/ DHK at Korea Open 2019, 3-1 XX/LSW
Finalist w/ DHK at China Open 2019, 1-3 LYJ/CIC
Winner w/ DHK at WTGF 2018, JWJ/Cha Hyo Sim in F, Morizono/Ito in SF, CCA/CIC in QF
Bronze w/ DHK at WTTC 2017, 3-4 CCA/CIC in SF
Bronze w/ DHK at WTTC 2015, 1-4 XX/Yang Haeun in SF

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80179&PID=996287&title=2017-austrian-open-09-1909-24#996287

He played exceptionally well at the WTTC, reaching the QF in MS and MD and SF in XD, almost beating the eventual Champion in the MD and going the distance in the XD. I felt he took on too much burden for team Hong Kong, which was later confirmed by LGD in a local newspaper. People can't really ask too much of him. He didn't turn pro until 18, too late even by European standard. He comes from a grass-root family. He didn't have as much access to quality training. He was not a prospect in the eyes of the HKTTA. I've only recently found out Zheng Puifeng started out late as well and didn't take part in sports school and still made it to the CNT. It's been years and he doesn't even get his fair share of international exposure. What's more, both are penholders. I can't appreciate enough how they struggle and still try their best. I've already seen enough people given up on their dreams.

Edited by zeio - 06/25/2022 at 4:12am

hehe, had been busy and only saw the usual biased postings  from JW

jackwong23 wrote: zeio wrote: jackwong23 wrote: Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now.  Best penhold player outside china Overrated by your biased standard against WCT. Be consistent.    In 53 encounters with CNT, WCT has defeated once XX(out of 11) and LJK(out of 5), and 5 CNT players in his junior days. In 13 encounters with CNT, Qiu Dang has defeated once Xue Fei(out of 2) and Zhao Zhaoyan(out of 1). Even in the same age segment(~26), WCT had already run into the CNT 36 times. Also look up their records against Japan and Korea, you would notice Qiu Dang has run into so few of them as well, despite being just 5 years younger. 38(14W) vs 62(34W) for Japan, 14(6W) vs 61(29W) for Korea. Other than Mizutani and Togami, WCT has defeated everyone on the current JNT. Other than Cho Daeseong and Kang Dongsoo, WCT has defeated everyone on the current KNT. For Germany, WCT is 21(9W). Other than Boll and Ovtcharov, he has defeated Fejer-Konneth, Franziska, Filus, Duda, et al. In his junior days?  That is history. GOOD analysis nonetheless. So both of them have similar winning % against Korean and Japanese players. judging by recent results against top ranked players, most people would say Qiu is a better player than Wong right now. Qiu has improved a lot in the last 2 years. No mention of Qiu Dang beating Ovtcharov, Calderano, Kallberg, Gauzy recently ? A few days ago he beat Dima 4:3 at the Lima Contender Final, someone whom Wong has never beaten in his career. Qiu Also made the singles final of another 2 events recently,  hence the big climb in his ranking. Would Wong beat these players with his current standard of play ? I highly doubt it.  When was the last time Wong won a singles title? A decade ago.?  Wong has been so bad in the last 4, 5 years that he exited most ittf tournaments in the 1st or 2nd round. To say he was Overrated was an understatement.

When did WCT ever play in world tour events with this weak of a competition? 

Edited by jackwong23 - 06/24/2022 at 2:08am

Are you shitting me? You know better than even the players themselves?

WCT and DHK have expressed multiple times since 2018 they were turning their focus to the XD and MT/WT events, which is supported by the stats.

https://www.hktta.org.hk/cgi-bin/display/news.cgi?news=1928

今屆乒乓球賽事不設雙打，變相令黃鎮廷只需出戰男打、混雙及男團賽事，他指對後兩項賽事的信心較大，「單打也會搏的，但始終重心會在混雙及團體。」

http://paper.wenweipo.com/2018/07/30/SP1807300022.htm

杜凱琹�£�充謂，她都以混雙為重，其次則期望團體賽爭取理想的名次。至於單打方面，由於亞運�£度可說與世界賽接近，要期望抽得好籤才能交出成績。

https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99%82%E9%AB%94%E8%82%B2/647396/%E6%9D%B1%E4%BA%AC%E5%A5%A7%E9%81%8B-%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93-%E9%BB%83%E9%8E%AE%E5%BB%B7%E6%9D%9C%E5%87%B1%E7%90%B9%E6%B7%B7%E9%9B%99%E5%8A%9B%E7%88%AD%E7%8D%8E%E7%89%8C-%E9%9A%A8%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%8A%E9%9B%86%E8%A8%93%E7%8D%B2%E5%95%9F%E7%99%BC

黃、杜二人雖將重心放在混雙，但亦要分別參加單打及團體賽事，奧運時有機會一日三賽，但兩人稱已特別加長訓練時間去準備。黃鎮廷坦言自己目前單打排名不高（2021年7月為第19位），無疑會影響男單的抽籤結果，所以對於單打也是「一步一步來」。

https://www.sportsroad.hk/archives/339651

日前混雙失利貌似未有影響其發揮，杜凱琹在訪問時卻言心仍在痛：「落敗一刻感到心碎，因為東京奧運前的備戰放了重心在混雙，做了許多準備，當日其實有點振作不起來。」

But let's cherry pick the singles again. I know you hate WCT, but lying about him? Below is what you posted in 2018. I was busy subbing videos back then. It's over 4 years late, but let me expose your lies once and for all.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81396&PID=1016094&title=team-world-cup-2018-london-2-2225#1016094

jackwong23 wrote: Maharu and mizutani are actually leading wct in head to head. Wct and Niwa are level in head to head. Yes, he seems to enjoy playing Japanese players more. This is probably due to the lack of power on their strokes which enabled him to counter tospin in mid court. However, even against 2nd tier Europeans like Shiebaev, Karlson, Pitchford, Calderano, Freitas, Flore, Gauzy, he would lose most of the time. Hey, He even lost to a 17 year old American ranked 90 in the world.

vs Shibaev, 1-0 until 2018, 1-1 after 2019


Since there were 2 Karlsson until 9/2018,
vs then M. Karlsson, 3-0 until 2018, 3-2 after 2019


vs K. Karlsson, 4-2 until 2018, never met after


vs Pitchford, never met until 2021, 0-1


vs Calderano, 0-1 until 2018, never met after


vs Freitas, 0-1 until 2018, 1-1 after 2019


vs Flore, 3-0 until 2019, never met after


Vs Gauzy, 3-0 until 2019, 4-1 after 2020


Hey, LYJ even lost to that 17-year-old American at YOG 2018, 7 months after your post. The same fate befell Harimoto as well 3 months ago. Where were you hiding?

jackwong23 wrote: Mr Zeio is making Wct look better than he is by listing all the doubles and mixed doubles achievements. LOL. Only singles titles should count.  Do people take doubles and mixed doubles titles, quarter finals and semi finals appearances into consideration when  arguing who is the greatest tennis player of all time between Federer, Jokovic and Nadal ?  NO, they only count the number of singles titles they have won Wong chun ting has only won 1 singles title in his career And that was 7, 8 years ago. Qiu Dang has won 2 singles titles and he is 5 years younger than Wong.

Edited by zeio - 06/25/2022 at 4:50am

The regularity which Wct lose to low ranked players a few years ago suggested to me he was Overrated as a top 10 player. He is ranked 24th right now which is where he rightfully belongs. He put most of his focus on doubles right now because he knows his level of play rarely trouble players like Dima, Hugo, Kallberg, Boll,   LYJ and Harimoto.

Edited by jackwong23 - 06/25/2022 at 10:02am