Real Alternatives to T05

Hi! I want to quit using my T05 because of the new insane prices,  but I would like to know something trusty enough to replace them. I cant  EJuking really much  coz Im out of cash so  I would like to go straightly to the right choice.

I  really don´t mind if its  tuned or untuned, whatever,  I can tune if i need to and find some boosters.
I´ve heard interesting things about BW2, H3/H2 Neo with Blue Sponge, Apollo, Friendship 729-08, but the chinese market it´s so wide that I get lost with so many stuff.


Please, post here your experiences in the searching of the holy grial.




Edited by jonyer1980 - 08/06/2010 at 12:15pm

Switching to heavily tacky Chinese rubbers is an option but you will have to change your game in many aspects, including technique of your loops, over-the-table motions etc.

As many here have said (including myself) try Palio Macro Era 47.5 (hardness) 2.1 or 2.25 (MAX) from http://ttnpp.com

if there was one... do you think butterfly could dare raise its price after 1.5 years of launch?

JimT,

They have us over a barrel.  Nothing else is like it. 

I hate to admit it, but I don't think there is another rubber out there that plays like Tenergy. As stated before by others, it's not that Tenergy is better then everything else out there, but it is different and if you like it, it is very unlikely that you will find a good replacement to it.

If the price remains high on the Tenergy, I'm most likely to change back to Roxon 500, not because it is similar to Tenergy, but because I feel it is the second best for me. Hexer have been claimed to be similar, but in my experience, they are worlds apart from each other.

PLLsystem wrote: +1 for Xplode (or Hexer, or Baracuda)

-1, Tenergy and Hexer or Baracuda are worlds apart.

mjamja wrote: JimT,   If you have used it, could you compare Gambler Outlaw to Palio Macro Era 47.5.  Outlaw was one of the faster rubbers I have tried and seemed fairly spinny as well.   I am using IQUL 2.2 mm now (42 deg on Fh and 40 deg on Bh) and am thinking about moving to something faster and hopefully spinnier after the end of the year.   Outlaw is on my list of rubbers to consider so comparisons to that rubber are particularly useful for me.   Thanks.   Mark

Here is PME 47.5vs T-05 vs Outlaw comparison by me

hardness: Outlaw is harder sponged than PME 47.5 (approx. 41 vs 39, where T-05 is also about 39), both in topsheet and sponge

speed: they are about equal with Outlaw perhaps a tad faster than both PME 47.5 and T-05. PME is more consistent in midpower shots, no deadness sometimes noticed in T-05

spin: PME is of course better than Outlaw, it is just a smidgeon worse than T-05. Outlaw is about 10% behind (which is not surprising as harder-sponged rubbers usually do spin worse than softer ones)

catapult: present but quite predictable in PME, way better than in T-05 (to me), almost absent in Outlaw

flat game: Outlaw better but PME is quite good there too, T-05 is a bit behind there

passive game (slices, chops, spinny pushes): Outlaw worse than both tensors, PME beats T-05 by a micron, especially against spinny balls. But in flat pushes or passive blocks etc Outlaw is at least as good; the problem is that if you are passive with Outlaw your returns are less dangerous (and allow more opportunity) for the opponent than with two other rubbers.

sensitivity: T-05 is hands down the worst, most sensitive to the incoming spin, PME is noticeably better, Outlaw is the best

loops from afar: T-05 is best, with PME close behind, Outlaw following pretty close
loops from close: same but again, only if you discount the incoming spin

longevity: Outlaw loses to both, PME seems to be at least as good as T-05 or even better

Klaus123 wrote: PLLsystem wrote: +1 for Xplode (or Hexer, or Baracuda) -1, Tenergy and Hexer or Baracuda are worlds apart.

How far is "worlds apart"? To me, these are truly some of the closest to tenergy. How much does a rubber have to mimic tenergy for it to be just one world apart? I like Hexer and for the price, it does the job.

Edited by bumpernets19 - 08/08/2010 at 12:32am

I just don't believe there's nothing comparable to Tenergy right now... The top 1, 2 and 3 male players in our club play with Hurricane III factory-tuned version.  All three were former Chinese provincial team members... They can serve and rip as well as anyone with Tenergy. 

roundrobin wrote: I just don't believe there's nothing comparable to Tenergy right now... The top 1, 2 and 3 male players in our club play with Hurricane III factory-tuned version.  All three were former Chinese provincial team members... They can serve and rip as well as anyone with Tenergy.

tablet92 wrote:   I think somebody here misunderstand APW, he didn't say that tenergy is the best rubber, but he say what this rubber feels different from others and suit his game best :)

 correct

Baal wrote: Roundrobbin wrote "All three were former Chinese provincial team members... They can serve and rip as well as anyone with Tenergy".  We have a few people like that in Houston too.  This kind of player has used Hurricane rubbers since they were kids, hard tacky rubbers that they used to glue like crazy using a Haifu speed glue.  Players like this dislike Tenergy.  It has none of the properties they need.  That pretty much means that the Hurricane rubbers you are describing are not alternatives for the kind of players that like Tenergy.

takaaki wrote: APW46 wrote: Unfortunately IMO, there is no option. That's why they are charging us so much, as soon as a $10 option becomes available, Tenergy will half in price. totally agree, except that when that happens, they'll come out with another version of tenergy that's supposedly even better and then charge even more then before!!

 yes as always happens, but If you don't insist (not you personally) on having the latest gimmick your rubber price halves. What pisses me off more than anything is we would not have any of this if they had not banned Sp/glue, I could go back to using Dawie inspirit at £6.00 a sheet and change my rubbers regularly.

emihet wrote: Due to privacy and sponsorship issues, a high profile and experience former world champion that is sponsored by the biggest german table tennis company was at my club a couple of weeks back and she/he was trying the T64 and T05 because this company knew there was nothing on the market like it and this german company knows it...so sorry even the manufacturers to this present day know they have not reproduced a response to Tenergy...ESN has put some attempts through many companies but this shows that as of 2 weeks ago they don't have an answer...i have tried at least 60 rubbers and nothing functions the same as tenergy so far...it seems like a strong answer, but it is a humble answer

Biggest German table tennis company = must equal Donic.
Former High Profile World Champion = must equal Waldner

Surely the above statement must not be true.