Alex Table Tennis - MyTableTennis.NET Homepage
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Review: Nittaku Hammond Pro Beta
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login
tabletennis11.com

Review: Nittaku Hammond Pro Beta

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
Author
ChopSmash View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/22/2009
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 153
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChopSmash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/18/2010 at 7:06pm
For those who have glued the HPB to a blade... I'm thinking that the white sponge might make it difficult to judge how the glue is going onto the sponge. Difficult to tell if the glue is being applied evenly. Anyone with experience, please comment.
Dawei Genote S
FH Nittaku Hammond Pro β
BH Yasaka Mark V
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Erikson45 View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/17/2009
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 238
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Erikson45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/18/2010 at 7:18pm
Originally posted by ChopSmash ChopSmash wrote:

For those who have glued the HPB to a blade... I'm thinking that the white sponge might make it difficult to judge how the glue is going onto the sponge. Difficult to tell if the glue is being applied evenly. Anyone with experience, please comment.


Try shining some light on the sponge while gluing. The glue should create a glaze effect on the sponge that is made more evident when holding it out in some light.
Rutis
FH: H3
BH: T64
Back to Top
Thaidog View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/09/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1661
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thaidog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/18/2010 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by ChopSmash ChopSmash wrote:

For those who have glued the HPB to a blade... I'm thinking that the white sponge might make it difficult to judge how the glue is going onto the sponge. Difficult to tell if the glue is being applied evenly. Anyone with experience, please comment.


I used Butterfly Free Chack and applied two layers of glue to both the blade and the sponge while using a blow dryer and made sure to spread the glue evenly. There is a little water that will puddle up with it if you are not careful - so spread out the glue so it is even.

The best advice I can give is never apply a second layer of glue until the first dries. It will clump up and the sheet will not lay completely flat if you get clumps. (and never wet glue with water based glue)
Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...
Back to Top
MildSeven View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member


Joined: 12/07/2003
Status: Offline
Points: 647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote MildSeven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/18/2010 at 10:29pm
I used one very very thin layer of free chack on mine and spread it out horizontally, then vertically, and repeated until the layer was very uniform.

Also, as a small follow up I recently tried Bryce Speed out on the same racket as my Pro Beta is on and just to update, Hammond Pro Beta is about the same as Bryce Speed overall. Maybe a touch faster and a touch spinnier, with a touch more dwell time, but overall very similar in performance, although the Bryce Speed is a fair amount firmer. I preferred Pro Beta over Bryce Speed overall. I hope this gives others a little better picture of what to expect from this rubber.
Back to Top
Thaidog View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/09/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1661
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thaidog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/19/2010 at 2:48am
Originally posted by MildSeven MildSeven wrote:

I used one very very thin layer of free chack on mine and spread it out horizontally, then vertically, and repeated until the layer was very uniform.

Also, as a small follow up I recently tried Bryce Speed out on the same racket as my Pro Beta is on and just to update, Hammond Pro Beta is about the same as Bryce Speed overall. Maybe a touch faster and a touch spinnier, with a touch more dwell time, but overall very similar in performance, although the Bryce Speed is a fair amount firmer. I preferred Pro Beta over Bryce Speed overall. I hope this gives others a little better picture of what to expect from this rubber.


Thx Mild7 Smile I have not had a chance to hit with Bryce Speed yet so no compare there. I did notice that BS has a 38 degree sponge though (from the BTY site) which could explain the firm feel. Does Bryce Speed have a built-in glue effect?
Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...
Back to Top
ChopSmash View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/22/2009
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 153
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChopSmash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/20/2010 at 9:21am
Originally posted by ChopSmash ChopSmash wrote:

For those who have glued the HPB to a blade... I'm thinking that the white sponge might make it difficult to judge how the glue is going onto the sponge. Difficult to tell if the glue is being applied evenly. Anyone with experience, please comment.


It turned out not to be any problem, at all. The sponge is not white, as some pictures lead me to believe. The sponge is a medium violet color. Plenty dark enough to see the glue on the sponge.
Dawei Genote S
FH Nittaku Hammond Pro β
BH Yasaka Mark V
Back to Top
Thaidog View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/09/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1661
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thaidog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/20/2010 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by ChopSmash ChopSmash wrote:

Originally posted by ChopSmash ChopSmash wrote:

For those who have glued the HPB to a blade... I'm thinking that the white sponge might make it difficult to judge how the glue is going onto the sponge. Difficult to tell if the glue is being applied evenly. Anyone with experience, please comment.


It turned out not to be any problem, at all. The sponge is not white, as some pictures lead me to believe. The sponge is a medium violet color. Plenty dark enough to see the glue on the sponge.


Have you been hitting with it? If so how do you like it?
Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...
Back to Top
ChopSmash View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/22/2009
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 153
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChopSmash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/20/2010 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

Have you been hitting with it? If so how do you like it?


I have only about 15 minutes with it. So, no comment, for now.
Dawei Genote S
FH Nittaku Hammond Pro β
BH Yasaka Mark V
Back to Top
Antony View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/14/2009
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 190
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Antony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/16/2010 at 7:35pm
Any comparison with Beta VS Hammond Pro Alpha?
Hong Kong, Singapore, Sweden, Australia
Liu Shiwen & OC-CR (FH: Globe999 BH:M2)
KLHS(FH:G999 BH:T05FX)
TBS(FH:T05 BH:T64)
OC-WRB(FH:H3 BH:Hammond Pro-Alpha)
Carbo7.6(FH:H3 BH:T64)
Back to Top
MildSeven View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member


Joined: 12/07/2003
Status: Offline
Points: 647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MildSeven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/16/2010 at 8:18pm
Beta is way faster and spinnier apples to apples without speed glue. But, it is softer and less crisp feeling. Beta offers a performance level of a lightly speed glued Pro Alpha. I do not know how it will stack up against Renanos Bright Hold but it is by far the most powerful made in Japan Nittaku rubber after the glue ban.
Back to Top
debraj View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 06/04/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3369
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote debraj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/17/2010 at 2:43pm
so what's the final verdict?

pro beta? or palio macro era 42.5? :)
729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH)
vid1
Vid 2
Back to Top
MildSeven View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member


Joined: 12/07/2003
Status: Offline
Points: 647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MildSeven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/17/2010 at 6:15pm
I've never played Macro Era but Pro Beta should have a tiny edge in the short game if Macro Era is a typical tensor. Its surface grip is also improved over traditional Hammond rubbers.

I would personally prefer Pro Beta over most tensors. I say most because I haven't tried the newest spin-oriented ones before.
Back to Top
ChopSmash View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/22/2009
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 153
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChopSmash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/17/2010 at 7:02pm
I've been using HPB for two full months now. Maybe closer to three. I cannot compare it to the Palio, since I've never used the Palio. The HPB is plenty fast enough and spinny enough for me. It has one quality, that is a bit unique, that I like very much. I can hit, what I would call a "flat" shot. A top-spin shot where the paddle is angled top-forward like any other top-spin shot, but the stroke is very horizontal, or "flat". Not much upward motion to the stroke. The HPB makes this shot very easy. I can't do this shot with any of the Chinese sheets I've tried. I can't do this with any of the tensors I've tried. I can't do this shot with any of the Tenergy sheets I've tried. These other sheets sort of force me to loop everything with a forward and upward stroke. I can do this same stroke with the HPB and produce a very good loop shot. But, with the HPB, I can also do this "flat" stroke and produce some top-spin with really good control.
Dawei Genote S
FH Nittaku Hammond Pro β
BH Yasaka Mark V
Back to Top
debraj View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 06/04/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3369
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote debraj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/18/2010 at 6:18pm
how does hpb compare with roxons? in fact macro era is same as roxon generation with slightly more grippier/ tackier sponge.
729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH)
vid1
Vid 2
Back to Top
ichini View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 04/29/2010
Location: China
Status: Offline
Points: 128
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ichini Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/08/2010 at 11:55pm
hi guys,I would like to ask if this rubber is good for out of position blocking.Thanks in advance.
Back to Top
Thaidog View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/09/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1661
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thaidog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/09/2010 at 12:19am
Originally posted by ichini ichini wrote:

hi guys,I would like to ask if this rubber is good for out of position blocking.Thanks in advance.


Beta's topsheet is very grippy so it does have a reaction to incoming spin... that said, I'm not sure if its the pip layout or what but Beta blocks and counters very well and is even quite capable of producing flat shots if you want. Other short game features like pushes fully benefit from the grip of the topsheet however.
Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...
Back to Top
beeray1 View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 07/03/2008
Location: Iowa
Status: Offline
Points: 5169
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beeray1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/09/2010 at 12:29am
A club member switched from Hammond X to Hammond Pro Beta and on the recieving end there is not much difference.
Back to Top
Skyline View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member


Joined: 07/01/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 3864
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Skyline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/09/2010 at 7:47am
Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

Originally posted by ichini ichini wrote:

hi guys,I would like to ask if this rubber is good for out of position blocking.Thanks in advance.


Beta's topsheet is very grippy so it does have a reaction to incoming spin... that said, I'm not sure if its the pip layout or what but Beta blocks and counters very well and is even quite capable of producing flat shots if you want. Other short game features like pushes fully benefit from the grip of the topsheet however.
 
sounds quite nice. how does the hardness of the pro beta compare with hammond pro alpha?
Back to Top
Thaidog View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/09/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1661
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thaidog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/10/2010 at 3:07am
Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

Originally posted by ichini ichini wrote:

hi guys,I would like to ask if this rubber is good for out of position blocking.Thanks in advance.


Beta's topsheet is very grippy so it does have a reaction to incoming spin... that said, I'm not sure if its the pip layout or what but Beta blocks and counters very well and is even quite capable of producing flat shots if you want. Other short game features like pushes fully benefit from the grip of the topsheet however.
 
sounds quite nice. how does the hardness of the pro beta compare with hammond pro alpha?


I tested them side by side and I can not really feel any difference in the hardness (medium soft - probably 36 degree on bty scale)
Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...
Back to Top
Stavros View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/02/2006
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 1540
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stavros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/03/2010 at 6:56am
Can someone compare Hammond Pro B to Stiga Boost TX?
I'd like to know which is better for b/h out of positioning blocking.
InfinityVPS   -   D80   -   D05
Back to Top
speed29 View Drop Down
Beginner
Beginner


Joined: 08/25/2009
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 79
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote speed29 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/03/2010 at 7:46am
Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Can someone compare Hammond Pro B to Stiga Boost TX?
I'd like to know which is better for b/h out of positioning blocking.
I personaly prefer boost tx, less sensitive to incoming spin.
Back to Top
Stavros View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/02/2006
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 1540
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stavros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/04/2010 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by speed29 speed29 wrote:

Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Can someone compare Hammond Pro B to Stiga Boost TX?
I'd like to know which is better for b/h out of positioning blocking.
I personaly prefer boost tx, less sensitive to incoming spin.

I will stay to Boost TX 2.0mm on my b/h then. 
InfinityVPS   -   D80   -   D05
Back to Top
Alwin View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 04/05/2015
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 60
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/09/2015 at 10:43pm
I thought I'd revive this thread rather than make a new one. My current sheet of Nittaku Zalt is starting to wear out and I was thinking of getting HPB as a replacement. I was looking online and I saw that Hammond Pro Beta is blade specific/choosy? 

Is this true? Would it pair well with either a stiga optimum sync or tibhar stratus powerwood blade?

Thanks! Smile
T05H | HL5 | TG3-60
Back to Top
Danzors View Drop Down
Member
Member


Joined: 09/24/2015
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 51
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Danzors Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/09/2015 at 11:54pm
The necro is welcome here, I've also been very interested in the HPB and would love to hear the thoughts on this rubber in the poly ball era.
Tibhar KJH
Xiom Vega Pro
Back to Top
Stavros View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/02/2006
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 1540
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stavros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/10/2015 at 2:25am
Originally posted by Danzors Danzors wrote:

The necro is welcome here, I've also been very interested in the HPB and would love to hear the thoughts on this rubber in the poly ball era.


Unfortunately not good. All my teamates used to play HPB on b/h during celluloid era! With the plastic ball the performance of HPB drops very quickly. The rubber cannot grab the ball effectively, after some weeks.

I also search for HPB alternative.
i will try Calibra Sound .


Edited by Stavros - 11/10/2015 at 2:25am
InfinityVPS   -   D80   -   D05
Back to Top
Alwin View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 04/05/2015
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 60
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/10/2015 at 4:00am
Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Originally posted by Danzors Danzors wrote:

The necro is welcome here, I've also been very interested in the HPB and would love to hear the thoughts on this rubber in the poly ball era.


Unfortunately not good. All my teamates used to play HPB on b/h during celluloid era! With the plastic ball the performance of HPB drops very quickly. The rubber cannot grab the ball effectively, after some weeks.

I also search for HPB alternative.
i will try Calibra Sound .

Cry

Does the sheet just go slick or...? What do you think would play similar in terms of spin and throw with the new ball?
T05H | HL5 | TG3-60
Back to Top
Stavros View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/02/2006
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 1540
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stavros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/10/2015 at 5:51am
Originally posted by Alwin Alwin wrote:


Cry

Does the sheet just go slick or...? What do you think would play similar in terms of spin and throw with the new ball?


I'm also searching for alternative.
I'll try Calibra Sound.
InfinityVPS   -   D80   -   D05
Back to Top
asifgunz View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/15/2013
Location: Queens NY
Status: Offline
Points: 1448
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asifgunz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/10/2015 at 1:46pm
one of the fastarc rubbers might be what you are looking for.


"I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike

Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.375 seconds.

Become a Fan on Facebook Follow us on Twitter Web Wiz News
Forum Home | Go to the Forums | Forum Help | Disclaimer

MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd.

Copyright ©2003-2024 Alex Table Tennis Ltd. All rights reserved.