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    Posted: 07/21/2008 at 4:35am
I'm researching rubbers for my RBH setup on a new j-pen (likely to be reversible). Hoping to achieve an overall weight of less than 150g!

Requirements for FH:
- very very spinny, good for serve. most important!
- needs to be tacky
- average weight
- mid to hard sponge

Considering...
- Hurricane 3 provincial
- OOAKT H2/3 special blue sponge version
- TSP Summit
- 729 Higher III
- 729 SP Transcend
- 729-40H/S Leopard

Requirements for BH:
- light to ultra light rubber. most important!
(must be at least equal or lighter than sriver)
- less than 2.1mm. maybe 1.7 to 1.9mm
- powerful new generation rubber
- surface that grips well, not necessary to be tacky but definitely not a smooth feel

Considering...
- Yasaka New Era Spin
- Nittaku Hammond X
- Butterfly Sriver G2 FX
- TSP Xs F1 21
- TSP Actor
- TSP Real
- Donic Sonex JP Gold
- 729 Highpoint

Both rubbers on normal glue.

Any comments on my above choice or any more input?
thanks!
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also try considering nittaku nodias & dawei inspiritquattro/ultralight for the backhand
Blade: Nittaku Septear Cpen
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the new H3s should work find for your forehand. Bouncier rubbers tend to work better for RPB
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I liked Donic F3 Big Slam on the BH. Fast enough, very spinny, easy to get loops over the net.
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I find that having dramatically different weighted rubbers affects the way the bat swings. As a result you'll have to dramatically reweight to get the same bat speed ie, wrap lead weight around the handle to offset the weight difference.
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how about those that I have listed... they do fit my description? because I have not played with some of them
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I like Actor for RPB, you might want 999/Quattro etc for a similar weighted feel. If you're able to use Sriver or Bryce for your RPB then you can move up to Hurricane or 999 National.
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emmmm/.... dont quite get what you mean...

Could u elaborate... which one for FH and BH...etc

How's the weight of actor?

Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

I like Actor for RPB, you might want 999/Quattro etc for a similar weighted feel. If you're able to use Sriver or Bryce for your RPB then you can move up to Hurricane or 999 National.
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btw Sriver is out of my consideration for BH...
but sriver G2 maybe yes.. at least its more powerful for BH
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You want two rubbers that aren't too dissimilar in mass. Otherwise you'll have to weight up the bat by trial and error to get the right swing speed.

PS: Obviously its the Chinese topsheet for your forehand since you specified it.
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sounds tough

Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

You want two rubbers that aren't too dissimilar in mass. Otherwise you'll have to weight up the bat by trial and error to get the right swing speed.

PS: Obviously its the Chinese topsheet for your forehand since you specified it.
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have added more in my list...

Based on my requirements, which one should I remove or add to my list?
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ok updated my list... and requirements

most of my weight estimation are based on mass.doingitwrong.net
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nice to know my DB is of some use... :P

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just wondering.. what is rbh...? isn't it rbp?
 
i don't know how you can come up with 150gram... using jpen with two rubbers...
 
cause the most of rubbers you listed... should be around 40 grams each...
 
is your blade less than 70gram?
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H2 or H3 blue sponge version (39-42gm cut on Cpen 1/2 inch away from handle) Forehand
Hammond X (40-42gm cut on Cpen BH 2mm away from handle) Backhand
They would be my choice.

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Hercules,

Is Hammond X lighter than Sriver?
What's the overall weight of your combination?

Sword RG SER-90 Cpen 79gm
TG3 #21 blue sponge 2.15mm(FH)
Sriver EL 2.1mm(BH)

YEO Cpen 80gm
TG3 #21 blue sponge 2.15mm(FH)
Sriver FX 2.1mm(BH)
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How does it feels like with great difference in the weight?

Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

I find that having dramatically different weighted rubbers affects the way the bat swings. As a result you'll have to dramatically reweight to get the same bat speed ie, wrap lead weight around the handle to offset the weight difference.
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Most defenders have this problem then? since pimps side is most likely lighter

Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

I find that having dramatically different weighted rubbers affects the way the bat swings. As a result you'll have to dramatically reweight to get the same bat speed ie, wrap lead weight around the handle to offset the weight difference.
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 charlesj,
 
  Do you play more close to the table or from mid distance?
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Charles, just get something already! Believe me it won't be your last blade and rubbers anyway.
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close to table

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  Do you play more close to the table or from mid distance?
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

Charles, just get something already! Believe me it won't be your last blade and rubbers anyway.


I like your current combination :)

Violin R-H / H3 Provincial 41 2.2 / Sriver EL 1.9 (151g)

anyway do u find Sriver EL 1.9 a little weak for BH?
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You'll notice that all defenders use extremely heavy blades. Hou Yingchao, Ding Song and Chen Xinhua used old DHS woods in the 100g+ range. They either use thin sponge on both sides or thick sponge on both sides, never one thin one thick. This brings the balance close enough to centreline to not affect their swing too much. Even then, you'll notice that many defenders' topspin forehands don't finish with the characteristic 'drive' but stop above their heads. This tells me that they have no confidence in their driving topspins, which needs picture perfect timing. A bat with dramatic weight differences in rubbers throw the balance of the bat in the hand off. As a result, the ability to time a perfectly hit winner is compromised.
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Originally posted by charlesj charlesj wrote:


Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

Charles, just get something already! Believe me it won't be your last blade and rubbers anyway.
I like your <span ="post">current combination :)Violin R-H / H3 Provincial 41 2.2 / Sriver EL 1.9 (151g)anyway do u find </span><span ="post">Sriver EL 1.9 a little weak for BH?</span>


A little. I used an old rubber from another blade, just to try out. I could get a thicker EL or an L later.
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addoydude, you could probably try one of those listed above for BH. I thinker thicker sriver L or EL also won't be much more powerful.
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Is your J-Pen 1-ply Hinoki? You'll never go wrong with Bryce or Sriver.  Make a research, why most of top J-Pen players play with either Sriver or Bryce? The reason is obvious, these are the best rubbers you can have for J-pen, period. I LOVE BRYCE with my 1-Ply Hinoki. If Bryce is too expensive for your RPB, then get a Sriver.
Ryu played with Bryce when he won 2004 Olympics Gold
Yoo Nam Kyu - Sriver for 1988 Olympics Gold
Kim Taek Soo - Sriver
Lee JUng Woo - Sriver
Chiang Peng Lung - Bryce
Yoshida Kaii - Bryce
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Bryce would be a little too heavy.
Sriver I find it not powerful for BH.
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what about bryce fx?
 
but honestly, i would use tensor rubbers...
 
cause they work so good with hinoki..
 
 
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How does 729 40H Leopard or the 40S version compare to H2, H3, TG2 and TG3?

How about the Konkutaku version of 729 Leopard?

I'm looking for a tacky and powerful chinese rubber (I believe only chinese topsheet can meet my needs). At least something better than TG2 which I have tried the most times as compared to H2 and H3).

Something that are do very spinny serves, do low throw loops and have the power for smashing.
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