Rubbers last longer than you think

Me40_Pyx wrote: Well,ok but you'll have to admit that training 9 hours a day and glueing 6 times a day is pretty excessive...not to say that i guess it's even contraproductive in a way.

It is necessary to train a lot to be a pro player. The Chinese players train 9 hours a day, and they finished number 1. I don't know how often they train in Bulgaria, but they finished like 30 or 40 or something. I am not used to training that much, I only did in China. But 6 hours of playing daily is good training. I would glue 4 times training like this. I am going to try out the millenium chack though, maybe I wouldn't have to glue so often. But the other "long-lasting" glues I have tried don't last more than a couple hours.

I call shen on the white spot.  Partly in fun   because I want to see a pic of that.  LOL.  I don't doubt your abilities, but I really want to see it.  I've seen heavy worn spots before but I have limited exposure to really good players in person. hehehe this is all in fun so don't get mad at me.

To be honest, if any of you guys want to donate rubbers, let me know.  I know local people who want to learn in my area and are of need of used gear that people are going to throw away.  Worn spot and all.  I'm serious.  Right now I have been giving these kids cheapy $3.00 bats and the older kids I have been giving $12 premades blades.  So instead of throwing them away let me know and I'll pay the shipping and everything.

 

Yes please.  Nothing against your abilities.  I just think it would be cool to see.  Thanks.

My sriver is still fit after 2 years. I play everyday for about 1 hour or more and it seems to last forever. I think the longest lasting rubbers are Sriver, Mark V and Bryce. Chinese rubbers wear out after 1 year.

I can just see you when you put a new sheet on after playing with the old one three times a week and gluing and pealing and saying to yourself......The old one had a few more months in it yet, I cant tell the difference!

Cool

 

When you get even better  . . . you'll wearout a hole in the rubber ... LOL

You hit sooooo hard that you hit the WHITE of the white TT balls!!!  I thinks that's it.

i don't know why u guys are so worried about the lifespan of ur rubber.  If i were you, I just worry about improving ur game.  It's not like is going to kill u if it dies...well...maybe it will to some people. 

it hurts my game cuz i use chinese rubbers, once the topsheet dies its useless.

penhold doesn't really save alot of money, at most you'll get to use your rpb rubber for 10-15% longer. it'll start saving (alittle) more money if you use jpen, but initial cost for jpen is expensive

729 is no longer like that. none of 729 i have bought has longlasting quality. they abandoned old production process. same with dhs, old pf4 was longlasting, new one is neither longlasting nor that good as it was ago. maybe some other chinese rubbers still posess old quality

with the price increase, tenergy is lasting longer.

I have an h3 neo that is like 1 year old and it is tackier than a new h3 neo 

Me40_Pyx wrote: BHroundthenet wrote: *JC* wrote: /me looks at sheet of f2 that im still using that is 12 months old just for the record, its lot a bit of grip in the middle, but has zero chips or cracks around the edges This proves the case that rubbers do need to be changed more often. Here in the UK you can get Bryce for 15 pounds/sheet. Thats 60 fags! We need to prioritise more. You train, spend time and money getting to and from tournaments not to mention the entry and overnight stay fees and you must give yourselves the best chnce. The top layer (I mean the very top layer) of rubber on a standard Bryce or sriver lasts for about 24 hours of table time...no more. Gluing reduces the standard of sponge rapidly. Try throwing the ball against an inclined bat and as the ball decends, increase the incline to almost vertical. Does the ball skip with to 'tick' sound high into the air above you head? It should do. No way will it if the top layer of rubber is worn. Look into the light reflectionon a worn rubber and you will see the degrading. Is that OK for you? I would love to play you if it is especially if you are looking to spin up. Spin to win in this game and you need to improve you chances where possible. I dont sell rubbers. The top layer (I mean the very top layer) U know ,that's exactly my point - are YOU a top player,a very top player...?

He said layer, not player. The top layer of the rubber gets worn and it will change characteristics. Sure, it is still playable, but if you continue to play with the rubber to long, you will have to re-learn everything each time you buy a new rubber.

I used a sheet of Andro Roxon 450 for about 6 months, thinking it still played like new. Then I changed it, due to a crack in it, and noticed how much different the new sheet was compared to the old sheet. So, I try to change my rubber every third month or so. And no, I'm not a pro, just a noob who plays 10-15 hours a week.

Me40_Pyx wrote: khaleel12686 wrote: Me40_Pyx wrote: Well,ok but you'll have to admit that training 9 hours a day and glueing 6 times a day is pretty excessive...not to say that i guess it's even contraproductive in a way. It is necessary to train a lot to be a pro player. The Chinese players train 9 hours a day, and they finished number 1. I don't know how often they train in Bulgaria, but they finished like 30 or 40 or something. I am not used to training that much, I only did in China. But 6 hours of playing daily is good training. I would glue 4 times training like this. I am going to try out the millenium chack though, maybe I wouldn't have to glue so often. But the other "long-lasting" glues I have tried don't last more than a couple hours. Khaleel,i think u missed the whole point of the thread.What i said in my post was that there are no or very very few really good players here on the forum , who would need changing rubbers in a matter of weeks.Plus , it really depends on rubbers.I DO know,that Boll changes rubbers every 2-3 weeks when not i a major competition like worlds or a pro tour or something.Of course Bulgaria are way worse than china,but still,they are way better than anyone on this forum

pros change rubber every 3 days, playing wttc  evryday

sa01 wrote: I have an h3 neo that is like 1 year old and it is tackier than a new h3 neo

This is a phenomenon that I have only seen with Chinese rubbers.

I've seen it on DHS, 729 and 999 products, whereby a rubber's tackiness increases over time with regular care and no SpinMax or VOC cleaners.

The hand oil trick, and avoiding mineralized water (well water, flourinated city water) seems to be the key along with clean plastic protectors.

With Chinese, Japanese and German rubbers, proper topsheet care is essential, but due to the different compositions of each, it seems that rubber care should vary.

While I don't recommend Paddle Palace or any other alcohol based cleaner, some of the modern VOC cleaners like Donic's BioClean are very gentle yet do a good job keeping both German and Japanese topsheets clean and more importantly supple and elastic (the sticky film protectors seem to help as well).

What does seem to happen with softer rubbers however, is that the sponges get broken down over time and repeated hits to the sweetspot, resulting in less catapult and slower speed, and possibly less mechanical grip. 


Sidenote:
I have a friend that actually prefers "aged Japanese rubbers" (50+ hours of use) for the fact that they have deader sponges and less grippy topsheets. Formerly a Hammond Pro Alpha user, he now trades new rubbers for 2x sets of peoples old rubbers and is much happier (and actually plays better, as he pushes, blocks and counterhits) than he is with brand new sheets of rubber.