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Rubbers that are good at lifting heavy underspin. |
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Stavros
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Posted: 03/30/2018 at 6:34am |
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I find MX-S and Quantum much better than Tenergys at killing heavy underspin balls.
Any better alternatives ?
Edited by Stavros - 03/30/2018 at 6:35am |
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DreiZ
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I think it all depends on technique. I find tenergy 05 and h3 neo/bs easiest to lift underspin. For me, soft sponge rubbers are harder to lift underspin.
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Chewy
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For me, Nittaku Fastarc G-1, Xiom Omega V Asia, Victas VS 402.
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henningf
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Good or easy? That’s different in my book good 729 battle 2, Hurricane 3, Tenergy 05 etc. Easy: friendship 729 fx
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It is not a question of rubber but of right technique.
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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vishal_dindoyal
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Lifting heavy underspin --> Aurus Prime + most new tensors
KILLING heavy underspin --> H3
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Leshxa
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Really guys? Its not about the rubber, all manufactured rubber is good enough to lift underspin. You have to have the right technique to doing it.
Now, the question is do you know how to use YOUR equipment to do THAT to the ball.
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Back to table tennis...
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NextLevel
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The question is basically asking - which rubbers have a relatively low/linear catapult and bring the ball hard enough to go through the ball with power, generate spin and not shoot the ball off the end when you swing extremely hard?
He is asking about third ball loop kills and not just spinning up the ball. In principle, most extremely grippy hard sponged/low catapult rubber will work. I think a lot have already been listed. But I wouldn't say so much that a rubber is best. Sometimes, having a blade that doesn't shoot the ball long helps as well. And as many have pointed out, it isn't going to take away the hours of practice. And personally, the effort to loop kill heavy underspin balls puts a lot of pressure on your 5th ball as better players will step back and bring back that loop kill shot if you aren't in perfect position to get it wider than they can get to. You are usually off just playing an opener than isn't too spinny and isn't too powerful but placed at a point where the opponent is willing to enter a rally. Unless you have super spin levels, the slow spinny opener invites the off the bounce counter which can be pretty devastating if the ball is so slow that the opponent has time to set up and attack. And the loop kill invites the block if not well placed. So it is often better to develop a good opener that just attacks the ball and places it well so that if the counter comes back, you can continue the rally and the ball isn't so slow it invites a devastating counter. But if you are at a level or playing an opponent where loop kills and slow spinny loops are consistently winning points against decent pushes, continue to deploy them. That is the level I usually played at and it was fun while it lasted. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Kolev
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Pardon my ignorance , but can someone explain what do people mean by "killing underpin " |
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vishal_dindoyal
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Well now that I'm reading what Stavros had asked when opening the topic i feel a bit confused and understand that I may have confused people with what I just said.
Well what I meant by 'killing underspin' is like when you finish the point Chinese style (straightened arm wrist action) after heavy underspin long enough return close to the table. But i may have misunderstood the question. "Killing underspin" on a ball, killing "underspin balls" |
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Stavros
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Let me explain better what I had asked when opening the topic... I play table tennis for 37 years . I'm 45 years old now. I have been playing high level for many years. I can understand the rubber diferences in a minute. I had to say all these because Leshxa above says "Its not about the rubber, all manufactured rubber is good enough to lift underspin. You have to have the right technique to doing it." I say , that all rubbers CANNOT help you finish the point against underspin. I want a rubber that help me finish the point Chinese style. Some years ago , I could find good chinese H3 and H2. Now I can't find them. Using Tenergy I have to finish the point on third or fifth ball. I'm not young enough to play long rallies , using Tenergy on f/h. So ,I'm asking , is MXS or any other rubber good enough to help me finish MOST points Chinese style ? |
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vvk1
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To me, nothing beats this: |
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Kolev
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Being lost in translation for awhile, I am back with a conclusion that killing underspin is actually a fast loop drive
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NextLevel
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Flat smashing is virtually non existent in TT unless you are attacking lobbing or just a hitter. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Stavros,
If you are satisfied by old H3 or H2, why don't you try something like Xiom vega China or Tau or Palio Thors? Or some of new Hybrids from Joola or Yasaka. Xiom Vega China is very good at third ball attack.
Edited by BaiMile - 03/31/2018 at 2:37pm |
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Stavros
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You mean Vega Asia... I prefer Omega series since they are faster. I haven't tried Omega Asia though.
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Shifu
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No he probably means Vega China, a nice rubber, tacky.
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Chewy
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Thanks NextLevel. You describe it extremely well! Or at least that is my understanding and experience of the topic. Also agree to the following portion of your post, nowadays doing the slow spinny loops. My opponents usually learn how to return after 2-3 times.
Developing a good opener/ placement and going into a loop rally is exactly what I've changed to now. Also, moving onto faster rubbers than before. The 3rd / 5th loopkill style, when it gets in. Is still satisfying though. But these days everything seems to get blocked. Especially when you meet short pip/ flat hitters who can really smack through those slow spinny loops. |
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Particular to looping heavy backspin: Bluestorm Z1 and (especially) Rhyzer 48 are fantastic - better than MX-P and most (if not all) other rubbers.
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kakapo
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Long pimple rubbers are good ...the more your opponent backspins the ball, the better you will loop it back.
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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Stavros
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How about Acuda Blue P1 and Turbo ?
I played one minute and I destroyed a chopper.
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GabrielTopspin
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xiom vega japan never was it so easy to lift backspin
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Kolev
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For me, the Vega Japan is quite easy to lift backspin with. Actually quite easy for everything.Unfortunately not as spinny as I wish
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Would you say "high throw" makes it easy?
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Z1 is a good rubber used it for quite a while now since it was released by donic . Good for looping and driving if the blade is a fit for it. I guess like most rubbers and blades combos really.
A lot depends on how good your technique is to be able to consistently play that shot and physically if you are a bit older if you can play that shot all the time. I would say that unless your level is very high and you have played internationally trying rubbers can be a bit or a headache and can also have an impact on your game in a negative way. Do you play penhold or shakehand btw?. GZ |
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