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sidofmillenium
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Posted: 08/29/2009 at 4:48pm |
I know DHS/Haifu/Donic last about a month.
What about others? Friendship 729-08? Does Tenergy series last forever? How about Nimbus VIP/Omega/Pilot/Boost/express? How about Gewo Proton/nano? Palio Macro? Did miss any? Thanks. |
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sadius
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Tenergy last for few months, but don't forget Outlaw. $14/ sheet and very good glue effect.
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skjutmigmormor
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Nimbus VIP lasts a month, pretty comfortable that its the same with all the nimbus rubbers. Same with Donic�s JP soft.
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silverhair
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I get a lot longer than a month from Donic Desto F3 Big Slam. Its more like 4 - 6 months of play 3 - 5 days a week.
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Heimdallalso
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My experience with most of the Tensors I tried was that they are good for around 4~6 months playing 2 to 3 times a week
much like our venerable silverhair (though I must add Desto F3 BigSlam is TOO soft & I love soft rubbers!) using, most always, only water to clean (every two weeks or more a ~small~ drop of diswahing detergent sponged over the surface lightly then rinsed carefully & quickly thereafterwards) definitely using a sticky protective SHEET between use, is a must if one was not provided, GET ONE!!! The last Tensors I've used/ Macro red Macro black Macro Era black Andro Plasma 380 |
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silverhair
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+5. Gotta use the protective sheet. I like the control and feel of Big Slam. I know its definitely got speed limits, but I win more points by being more consistent than my opponent and by using good placement than I do in passing shots. I really enjoy just hitting with Big Slam. Its fun to coiunter hit and counter looop near the limits of the rubber. |
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sidofmillenium
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How long does outlaw last?
So far...does Donic lasts the longest? any other rubber last as long? Andro Plasma/roxon? Does 729-05 has speed glue effect w/o pretune? What other rubbers r like that? Any of them good?(ones that come to mind is Stiga Synergy Series) How about extreme tension rubbers like Mambo GP? Any of them good?! |
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sadius
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Donic, andro doesn't last long, and that include Joola Express family.
Durability on Outlaw? I really don't know, this is my first sheet but with $14, nothing could go wrong with the price.
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kenneyy88
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how about neo h3?
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sidofmillenium
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I heard their effect dimishes in a month.
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tiburon74
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i try a lot of new generation rubbers this is what i found:
Tensors
like nimbus, sinus, xiom rubbers, those rubbers got sponges with more tension than normal rubbers, that give us the old speed glue sponge expansion, but, that extra tension make that the sponge last less time, i found that rubbers wont last more than a month at 5 o 6 day 3 hours a day training.
tuned rubbers
most of the chinesse rubbers, i know the great debate, to tune or not to tune, the sponge of the rubbers for tuning is not different from the sponge of the old speed glue sponges, tuning give us a more speed glue feeling and that is because the tuning make the sponge softer, the sponges last more than the tensors one, but we need to retune the rubber after 2 weeks, sometimes less time, to get the feeling.
butterfly�s string sponge
thats the one that surprises me more, its like a tensor technology, but lasts a lot, and also, you cant tune a tensor, the results are a disaster, but you can tune the string sponge, first time i use a tenergy i was wondered about that rubber, but then, i saw a timo boll video and i heard the sound of his tenergys, was a different sound, the sound was louder, then i tune my tenergy with haifu brown glue and the water bond and, amazing, the same loud sound like timo boll�s rubbers and the feel like really like the old speed glue era. I got with that tenergy since feb of this year and still good to play.
as a conclussion, tenergy and the chinese rubbers are most durable rubbers that tensors, tensors got a good speed glue feel, but they doesnt last to much, the tune effect on chinese rubbers doesnt last more than two weeks, and the butterfly�s string sponge i personally think that is the best feeling and durability with or without tune.
by the way, for those who think that timo boll doesnt use tune, youre wrong, every single player of the world top 20 use tune, maybe the most famous player that doesnt use tune is Jorgen Persson.
lets see what happen with the new DHS neo rubbers, maybe, like some people say, they are at least at the moment, the real solution of the new VOC free era without tuning, at the moment the most look like speed glue stuff i found is the tuned tenergy.
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sidofmillenium
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tiburon....What would u say about the Gambler Outlaw?
(I m thinking about buying it) Is Yasaka coming out with their tuned version? Donic has also got Coppa's...Waldner gold/silver series....what else am I missing? |
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beeray1
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I know I'm not tiburon, but I would recommend you trying outlaw. While it doesn't perform quite up to the big name level, it performs well period. And to my knowlege doesn't lose its effect- a guy at my club has used it for 2 months and says it has never changed. Also, for such a reasonable price, its just a great performing rubber.
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sidofmillenium
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How abt these rubbers?
Palio Macro 729-05 729-08 |
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hungry cow
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I know Coppa Gold wore out pretty quickly for me. With Tenergy someone gave me their old well used sheet they were done with and I really liked it so I bought a new sheet. But the old sheet is much more lively than the new one so I have gone back to it! So it seems to really age well, although I wonder if this could partly be because the old sheet was cut to a smaller blade so I stretched it some to fit better.
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anubhav1984
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Personally for me the Outlaw sheet din't last too long. It gave in and developed a bubble where the ball used to hit the most. I am a bit disappointed with the quality control of Tom's. I emailed him about this issue but he did not even bother to reply back.
For $14 it would give you exactly the same amount of life that you should be getting out of a $14 tensor. I guess you can do the maths. As far as Coppa's are concerned, i have personally tried the JO Gold and Platin. JO Gold's effect does seem to last longer and so does the Platin. Their topsheets are very durable unlike the latest tensor line. But i would still suggest to go with the Butterfly range. They do not get their stuff made from ESN and have a dedicated research centre to develop their stuff. As it is Butterfly is know for their highest quality standards. |
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Butterfly Viscaria FL
FH - Undecided BH - Undecided |
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beeray1
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If you want an effect rubber, i would go 08 over 05. 05 is more just a faster normal sponge. In my opinion it is useable- i had a hit with it when I had to borrow someones racket once. FH even. But 08 is very nice I think. Its tacky, and its pretty solid. Decently fast, and pretty good feel. Great price. It out performs 05 completely. Although, it is harder than 05, and 05 is still good stuff also.
Overall, i dont know anything about the other ones, Gewo or w/e. Never played palio, though everyone seems to love them.
But if you get any rubber for under 20 dollars and its an effect rubber, I think you're doing alright.
Outlaw if you like jap rubber feel. 729-08 if you like Chinese feel.
Outlaw can acheive some gobs of spin of you use the sponge to loop a lot. Its got a nice topsheet too. I hear the red is better than black. I hit too hard for outlaw, but if i played inverted BH, this would be my choice.
08 is harder, faster, and more power oriented. I can survive on this rubber fine. Its spinnier if you brush loop, and If you hit hard and really dig it achieves more spin. But its not nearly as user friendly. Outlawy is easy to use, easy to adjust, and has a good feeling. I would go outlaw.
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tiburon74
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yesterday came to me a gambler outlaw, a reactor tornado blue sponge, a haifu whale II 2009, a dawei inspirit quattro ultralight, a 729-8 anda a NEO skyline 3 to try, about the gambler outlaw, a friend of mine use it, he really hit the ball hard when he make a topspin, so the gambler only last 2 hours and he rip the rubber surface, he tell me that the rubber feels good, but he destroy it in only two hours jajaja, about the 729-5, i personally try it, i am a jpen player, found it awesome close to the table, but doesnt give me distance to make my type of play, got a great control, feels to me that this rubber is more for the backhand, that rubber is a tensor, when i tune it, was a disaster, yes the tune increase the speed, but also expand the sponge, a sponge already expanded, so there was shoots that ball just fall, doesnt get catapulted from the blade. about the coppas, some friends use it, i feel his shoots a little slower, but they give them a lot of spin, and again they wont last more than two months, after that the spin of the shoots decrease and became easier to get blocked.
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sidofmillenium
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How is the glue effect though for these?(I have already the reviews for these off searching on google)
Since he mentioned tension bios dont last long...does anyone know if that is the same for Palio Macro? |
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tiburon74
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i think will be the same, palio uses tensor tech (biotech is another type of tensor technology, but in the end, is a tensor) on their sponges.
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sidofmillenium
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Do u guys know where I can buy Gewo?
Also...do u guys know if 729-08 rubbers glue effect wear off? |
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metalone
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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tiburon74
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the 729-8 doesnt have a speed glue effect on the sponge, this is a rubber specially designed for tuning, you need to tune the rubber to get the speed glue effect, the tune, like haifu whale II will last two weeks
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tomas.gt
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this thread is terrible. many rumours, just a few facts. You guys just repeat what you have read that somebody else heard.
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sidofmillenium
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I m talking about the newer version called "Strongly Forward" |
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tiburon74
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tomas gt
if you dont like it, dont read it, as simply as that
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sidofmillenium
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tomas gt...I dont think anything of what u said holds any water..so water...I dont see a single rumor circuling around.
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tiburon74
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strongly forward isnt a new 729-8 version, thats a rubber for tune, the only version it comes factory tuned is the provincial version. |
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Jonan
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Well, there are a lot of general times and terms thrown about that are founded upon on person's experience. Who knows how use, preservation, etc. can change the length of the effect, plus who can tell when the "effect" stops working, or how you define it being totally gone, or where you first notice or think that it's getting slower or something. |
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sadius
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