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rel88
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I was wondering... who do u guys consider to be the safest player? I mean, which of the top players is most unlikely to make unforced errors?
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Samsonov makes very few unforced errors. |
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South Korea's Kim Kyung Ah, i think
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Dont know him. My first thought was samsonov.
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My first thought was Liqin, then Ma Lin.
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i agree with samsonov, he has a very good technique, that's why he appears in the ittf level 1 coach manual. i have one
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my first thought was samsonov too hehe
i've never really thought of ma lin as safe though, he sure plays alot of high risk shorts |
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Yes, Ma plays high risk shots but the record would seem to show that he misses less than Samsonov; doesn't that = safe?
I think it is Saive who plays high risk shorts though! |
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well that just means better right? i've though safe meant like each game pretty consistant, and not having really extreme high risk shots, etc, but not defensive like joo. iduno, i'm just taking a guess.
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Samsonov...very consistent, he's a wall. |
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I suppose if you were going to make an argument for someone like ma lin you could say that since he spins everything so heavy this makes him a safer attacker. By that reasoning the least safe might be ryu.
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Isn't Wang Liqin called Mr No mistake ?
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i think wang liqin plays pretty safe... he usually just plays passively until the opponent gives him an easy put away, or if they keep giving to the same spot he will step around and attack... rarely does he take a risky offensive shot that might make him lose his position and scrambling like the penholders.. his defense is so amazing... he can return 4-5 continous attacks from the likes of ma lin.. while i rarely see samsonov return 4-5 continous attacks. |
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I would say of course samsonov, and Jan Ove Waldner.. He plays quite simple, and does not miss too often..
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rel88 made the qualification "most unlikely to make unforced errors" which to me would seem to take the focus off of a cautious style and put the focus upon players who make the least unforced errors
So from this point I would go first for Liqin and then Ma Lin as the players who make the fewest unforced errors. Both players have the occasional hiccup in their play where their standard falters and the have some losses, but generally they are both very consistent and make very few mistakes of any kind whether it is unforced errors, or even shot selection. To me that equals �safe�. |
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It definitely has to be Samsonov. It must be like playing a wall, the ball just keeps coming back using a very simple technique. He must have been in the Top 10 for the last 10 years (usually in the Top 5 and was number 1 for along time)and probably will be for the next 10 too.
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I agree with D4VOW. Samsonov is like a wall. He has really big arms which allow him not to miss the ball. TV reporters gave him nickname ''octopus''. Combine that with perfect tehnique and you get probably safest player in the world and man in top 10 for a long time.
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Samsonov and Chen Weixing
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I think the safest player is Timo Boll. He always tries to play with topspin and seems never to miss. His shots tends to arch over the net with a margin of safety. Even when his shot hits the net, the topspin often carries the ball over.
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safe player?? unforced error?? you guys are dealing in bogus concepts here!! there is NO SUCH THING as an unforced error!! all errors are "forced!!" well, actually, the closest thing to an "unforced error" would be in the case where somebody was intentionally throwing a point. but that's not really an "error" cuz in that case that person intended to lose the point. and as for the "safest player (??)," it would have to be the guy (or gal) who's no. 1. how can you possibly win and get to no. 1 by missing more than everybody else??? the better player misses less. so if no. 1 plays against no. 1000, who will miss the most?? no. 1000, of course!! if no. 1 plays no. 20, chances are no. 20 is gonna miss the most!! if no. 1 plays no. 10, who's gonna miss the most?? yep, you guessed it--chances are it'll be no. 10!! it's just basic common sense!!
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samsonov is the safest player i think, he never goes for extreme shots, he just goes for percentage shots and rarely makes unforced errors.
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so, why is he not no. 1?? or no. 2?? or no. 3?? or no. 4 in the world??
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he's too soft and too large he gets caught in his body and doesnt put the ball away well enough
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agree exactly. Just because he is safe doesnt mean that he is the best. As i said earlier on, he plays percentage shots, he doesnt play extravagent shots say like a liqin or ryu seung min. However, he is still one of the best players in the world as his ranking suggests. |
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Unforced error could be missing an easy shot like a smash or an easy block.. Forced error, would be missing the block on one of Ma Lin's cross-court loops.. Being safe is not the same as being the best.. It matters more to hit at the tricky shots than smashing a ball in once a month! |
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extravagant shots?? percentage shots?? those are still all very dicey concepts!! wlq doesn't do anything in the game that he hasn't already mastered, so all his shots are "percentage" shots, except when he's given up on a point (or game) or, of course, when he's throwing a point (or game). if samsonov considers the shots "extravagant," that, say, wlq or ma or the other 2 players above him do, then that, in a nutshell, explains why he's been stuck at no. 5 for quite some time--his unwillingness to improve his skill set. it's actually quite frustrating for me to watch him play. he's been one of my favorite players for a while, but i don't see him improving. the 4 players above him have been getting better and incorporating new shots and new strategies into their games, but, from where i'm standing, samsonov pretty much plays the same game he played 5 yrs. ago (or longer)...
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Even worse, I don't think Samsonov trains or eats to keep him in the kind of shape of some of the other top players. If he had the percentage body fat of some of the other players he would be still in contention for #1.
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well, i hate to admit it (cuz i'm one, too), but i heard a few years back that he's a vegetarian, so that might explain the lack of body fat. but he is also married and has kids and that, i feel, would explain the apparent lack of desire or fight that i thought he used to have before. you (and others) might think this is stupid, but i strongly believe that you cannot be no. 1 now if you are married and, on top of that, have kids. it's impossible!! so, unless the chinese team just totally self-destructs (like if coach liu lets them all go out and get married!!), timo boll is not going to get back to no. 1, for that fact alone. some have wondered why the chinese male and female players are not allowed to get involved "romantically." well, i think this is at least one of the reasons: for sure, the relationship is gonna get in the way of the job... anyway, i've always felt that samsonov is the type of guy that could easily be no. 1 if he just changed a coupla things and would actually make more of an effort, but that is really tough to do when you have a wife and kids to think about... |
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Nice reply. takaaki. Also while he was young, he played in germany so he was away from his country. Now when he has wife and kids, I'm sure table tennis isn't the only thing on his mind. But he is still in shape, he won Zagreb 2006 and beaten few top 20 players. |
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