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Joo Se Kev
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Posted: 09/17/2006 at 10:48pm |
I've been watching some old Ding Song and Hou Yingchao videos recently, and I came to realize that they both use short pips. Joo Se Hyuk and Chen Weixing on the other hand, both use long pips...my question is: how much harder is it to chop with short pips, and what are the advantages/disadvantages of doing so? Why is it that the chinese tend to prefer this short pip chopping? Any insights would be appreciated. Oh, one more thing...I'm left-handed. Are there any disadvantages to left-handed chopping/defended as opposed to a right handed, or does it not matter. I do seem to run into some sidespin issues from time to time, but I always assumed it was my technique not my handedness. Thanks for your input! |
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it's like saying short pips is for chinese style while long pips is more of a euro/jap style. just like tacky versus grippy rubbers.
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Apparently short pip chopping offers more potential spin variation with only very subtle wrist/stroke differences, but is MUCH harder to master, than chopping with long pips.
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To be honest,
It is not the word harder to chop with, it's more on the differences. There are people chopping with all kind of stuff and prefer different things. there are disadvantage chopping with short pip. It does grip on opponent's spin, usually react to the ball much dynamic thus result a lower degree in control. However, it doesn't seems to bother Ding Song and Hou Yin Cao... or me... just need to learn to read spin well enough. Also the rubber itself will not increase spin for the incoming ball assuming the same movement. How spinny you can make it is basically what you will get. there are disadvantage chopping with the long pip. It doesn't create its own spin, thus pushing is harder. Some long pip also have low degree of control. Hitting for some long pip is impossible at certain situation. Another thing, long pip is usually lack of variation unless your skill is good enough for doing so. Potential for variation for both are high for both type of rubber. It really have to depends on who is using it and what he want to do about it. Most of the chopper who use long pip today are not variation focused player. Majorly they are seeking to stop the attack by provide a huge level of spin. Advantage for short pip is that it's "Easier" for making varaition. In my opinion, short pip was chosen because it does create significant about of spin yet in the same time it's not gripping the ball too much to make return hard for the person. In the same time, it's better than inverted as people doesn't play against short pip much as short pip characteristic is different from one to another. |
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how do you chop with the short pips? same as with long pips from your head to down?
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Chopping with short pips is the same as with reverse rubber. Only difference is that you achieve less spin. However control is better and of course you can chop and float, an art well worth learning. And you can hit with it!
Impossible to advise much on stroke because there is the take the ball rising method, and the take the ball late method. However: Just as with the loop drive you can use the high loop against low heavy chop, and the Sinking drive, forward over the top against high chop or float, the Chopper also adjusts the arc of his stroke to slice down the back of the ball or forward under the bottom of the ball depending on whether he is chopping early or late. |
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oke, with my Fh i chop very well but with BH sometimes not good, sometimes i have my racket horizontal and chop much foreward, because i cant chop down with normal rubber on bh with fh i can its strange but the chops that Patrick Chila sometimes on his BH is doing i can, there is much sidespin on it |
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lucioping
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I'm a chopper too and at the moment I'm using DHS G666 2.2mm on FH and RITC 802 1,0mm on BH. I used long pips since last year but with long pips is easy to chop but it needs to master push near table; now I find very good control near table, but very difficult in chopping, i need to master chop a lot.
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Chopping close to the bounce against heavy topspin is the most difficult chop and was really done for the first time by Huang Liang The chinese Lp defender in Birmingham 77. Since then players with reverse and sp have tried to do it with varying success. More normal timing is peak or late. I try to make the arc of my stroke (scooping around the ball as choppers do)have the same relationship with the path of my return whether early or late timing. Thus
off the bounce The arc goes from 2 to 4 oclock peak from 3 to 5 very late 4 to 6 there is also a feeling of guiding the ball along the way Hey this is difficult to put into words! |
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For chop with short pips, is OX a possible choice? The reason I'm asking is that I do not want to get my racket too heavy.
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Dr. Evil short pips are supposed to be really good for chopping.
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Short pips can vary spin far more and aren't a handicap close to the table when you're attacking, but unlike long pips there is a limit to how much spin you can handle. If you notice closely sometimes Hou Yingchou will not chop but instead fish the ball back, this is because he doesn't have the footwork of Ding Song and so can not simply run around and counterattack the loops that he can't chop.
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Joo Se Kev
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That's true. From the matches I've seen, Hou Yingchao seems to have a little more trouble handling fast/heavy topspin to his backhand than Joo or Chen do. I think short pips are probably more difficult to chop with in those instances... |
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I'm trying to play like Ding Song, and now footwork is very important: with short pips I increased my game near the table; spinny push is very easy and I can attack too: but when I have to chop the ball I have to run very fast and farer than when I had long pips. Chop with short pips needs to be in the best position all the time. Which short pips do you think is better for chopping? I read that Hou Ying Chao uses TSP Spectol 1,8mm and Ding Song uses RITC 802-1 1,0mm . I think for chopping 802-1 is better and slower than RITC 802 but it is not so spinny near the table (for me, not for Ding Song hehehe) and attacke is more difficult with 802-1. What do you think? Do you think Spectol can be good? |
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Start off with one of the 802s, its better to learn with more stable pips.
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