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unstopabl3
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I've been using Rakza 7 on FH and Rakza 7 Soft on BH on YEO blade for over a year now and enjoyed this combo a lot. I've improved my BH to the extent that I
can now do much more than simple blocks or slices, and my FH has become
way more consistent as I do proper loops now and generate good spin with my wrists instead of doing closed-arm sidespins, a bad habit I developed by playing in school.
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I feel like whenever I'm in awkward positions on both FH and BH, the Rakza rubbers are not forgiving and I lose the point, also their arc and catapult is quite high when I block passively. FH= Faster than Rakza 7 without losing the control factor, should be able to generate good amount of spin with not much sensitivity to opponents spin. BH= My backhand still needs a lot of work as I still mostly block or push the ball with it, and a lot of time I am in awkward position to do proper drives, so try to passively block trying to just keep the ball on the table and continue the game. However, I do want to become more active on BH and improve my drive and later add loop to my arsenal. So I want a rubber which allows me to passively block/return fast and spinny drives/loops even if I'm in awkward position, while having enough consistency to generate speed+spin when I change gears into attack. I'm thinking to get Tenergy 05 for my FH and Tenergy 64 for my BH, or get Tenergy 05 for FH and keep using Rakza 7 Soft on BH. What are your thoughts??? And will the FX versions of these tenergies, would that be better on my BH??? Thanks in advance! P.S The suggested rubbers should work good on YEO, YEO Power 7 and Viscaria. Edited by unstopabl3 - 07/15/2015 at 7:26pm |
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GeneralSpecific
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Wait wait wait. So you find Rakza 7 to be too sensitive and too high of an arc so you want to purchase Tenergy 05; the most sensitive and high arc rubber on the planet?
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try Adidas P7. You'll find it better and less sensitive than Rakza 7
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You still need to keep practicing with what you have, you think you have the control but what you're telling us, is you don't.
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Baal
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Only way to know if you like it is to try it. Maybe try a clubmate's setup for a few minutes? Somebody you know must use the stuff. At least give you a feel for what it might be like.
The one thing I have discovered is that no number of words written on the internet can compare with actually hitting balls with something, even if it is only for three minutes. |
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If you can afford it, go for Tenergy 64 in the BH. I found it the best rubber for BH among a dozen I´ve tried.
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rxng
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It's very true. No matter how great people described in the review, you never try, you never know.
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NextLevel
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Baal is a funny name for such a wise man.
OP, listen to the man. Also, everyone else here has given decent advice, though I would hold of on Tenergy 64 and just do P7. Or you van just stick with what you have. The key to using inverted rubbers is to learn how to generate good racket head speed. Until you can do that, control problems will be an issue with any decent inverted rubber, just worse as the rubbers become higher in quality as better spin manipulation and generation means greater sensitivity. |
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zheyi
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Just try it if u have the mean. I do.like the fx version for backhand for its lighter and softer.
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Baal
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It really should be spelled Ba'al. |
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Stavros
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Has anyone tried Stiga Astro M ?
Yogi perhaps?
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I've played with it for one training session, if you want to know about it I can PM you - trouble is I've only used a limited amount of rubbers throughout my journey. My thoughts so far are that it's similar to T05 in speed, slightly softer and has a very crisp feel when driving or powerlooping. The topsheet is similar to Airoc M, but I believe it is different. The rubber has a significant dome, a sign that the playing characteristics may change in the next month or so... |
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Baal is the man...He has totally right.Go and try one tenergy from a club mate of yours.Ofc it wouldn't be a real situation, cause i doubt your club mate will have the same blade or something familiar to YEO.The best thing is if someone had a spare sheet, and give it to u to glue it on ur blade, but i know it is hard.So go and try a tenergy of a club mate that has it on an off blade.
Also there is one more thing that i dissagree with the others that are telling u to improve ur game and then go for a tenergy...You never know, if u buy tenergy and play with it, maybe it will helps u to improve ur game, so u never know.Just one advice if u go for tenergy...buy the tenergy u want (05 and 05fx in my opinion) but in 1,9mm sponge, so u will have the more control u need to upgrade ur game.
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Baal
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Even if it is not exactly on the same blade, you probably learn something by trying a rubber. Better than shooting blind. Tenergy in various forms is also really common so almost certainly somebody you know is using it (and may even have an old sheet0. With that said, reading the OP more closely, my guess is that Tenergy won't solve the problems he is having, and I would probably anticipate that what General Specific mentions will be an issue. A better reason to not spend money before trying it.
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wilkinru
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Just from my personal experience:
I had Rakza 7 soft on my forehand as I did not want Tenergy - my forehand is still a bit of a mess and I'm trying to develop it. I tried my training partner's barracuda and decided that it did not bounce nearly as much, but still has the spin and the arc similar to a Tenergy. So now I'm using a barracuda 2.0 on my forehand. My hitting partner now notices I'm willing to complete my strokes as with the bouncy rubber I would stop 3/4ths into the swing. The Rakza 7 soft seems to be a nearly worthless rubber in my opinion. While most people plan to use it on the backhand, it bottoms out pretty easily against stronger shots when blocking. It is extremely bouncy and hard to control at a certain speed. I guess it may have a niche following in the player who wants to play inverted but does not have much strength and never needs to block strong loops. I mean it will do the work for you. Edited by wilkinru - 07/16/2015 at 5:26pm |
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mts388
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You're taking that first step into EJ hell. New rubber won't fix anything until you fix your game. |
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RoyPips
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I used R7 last season on my FH (blade=Defplay) and now I am trying T05 max. T05 is much more sensitive to spin. R7 is bit faster in open blade shots (hit, block), but T05 could be faster in closed blade powerlooping. For my taste R7 slips too much with new ball, while the Tenergy grips the ball nicely even in brushing type shots. It seems that Tenergy is not answer for your problems. Tenergy gives more spin, more grip, better pushing and better powerlooping, so it's better is shots, where you make your own spin. R7 has very good make-spin/insensitive-to-spin ratio, so it's not easy to find better replacement. |
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Chicobo
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You make it sound like EJ hell is a terrible place to be!
Edited by Chicobo - 07/17/2015 at 10:55am |
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zheyi
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I remember I read it.somewhere. Tenergy wont improve Your game, but if u have a good touch or feeling e.g. At backhand, it will improve your touch And spin. If not its sensitivity might make.u play worse.
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When the tenergies came out in the market, I started using them and leaving the other brands i used at that period for my main setup.(of course i haven't stopped trying new equipment)
And I am here to break this "myth" that tenergy doesn't helps u to improve ur game.I put them and I started upgrading my game and starting to win more often in competition matches. So in my case, tenergies helped me a lot to improve my game in all ways, not only in touch and spin. Just let this guy to try tenergies from a club mate to see what is going on generally with the tenergies...and if he likes thm, then he should go for them
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Would a sane person rather drive on Autobahn with an Opel Kadett, and Audi A4 2.0T, or a BMW M3? They all get the job done, but the M3 sure drives better and costs a lot more.
I found a much better balance for my game (Aurus/Evo Series) (the A4 comparison) and never looked back.
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unstopabl3
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I said I want a rubber which is not TOO sensitive to incoming spin/serves, I never said I find Rakza 7 to be highly sensitive. Also about the high arc, I said this happens when I'm out of position or block passively the catapult is too high and when out of position I try to power-loop the arc is too high, sometimes missing the table. |
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haggisv
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Yes, and many people are telling you that Tenergy 05 is MORE sensitive to incoming spin. Are you reading what people are saying, or have you already made up your mind to try it, and looking for people to agree with you? |
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unstopabl3
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How is P7 compared to T05 or T64??? Which one of these is better for mid-distance loops/counter-loops and has better control on passive shots/blocks??? AND Which one would you recommend for a weak BH consisting of mostly passive blocks and out of position drives??? |
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unstopabl3
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Well the thing is I've not played with such high level players as I'm now playing with. One is the best in the country and the other one is in the top 10. They have powerful drives and loops and their spin is best in the market, so you can imagine why I'm struggling |
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unstopabl3
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Hardly anyone uses Tenergy rubbers in my country due to price and availability and no one in my club uses it. The top players I'm playing with nowadays both use Nittaku S1 rubbers and Nittaku blades. So I can't really test Tenergy rubbers before purchasing them, thus I wanted to get your advice before investing in the big $$$ |
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haggisv
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Tenergy will not save you, and will most likely make it worse. Stick to the Rakza 7 rubbers, they're perfectly fine. |
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unstopabl3
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Which rubbers have you tried on your BH? Can you list them in order of preference? And how good/bad is your BH??? |
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unstopabl3
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Nice thanks for your input. I understand what most you are suggesting and I agree to most of it, especially the part that I need to improve my game. I know I am no where near their game level and maybe losing to them so badly makes me lose confidence and makes me think that changing equipment will suddenly improve my game. But I certainly don't want the easy way out, I do want to improve my game and if my equipment is the limiting factor I want to eliminate it atleast. So this is the problem I'm having against them: I feel like I lose the power when I return power-loops or power-drives from mid-distant, especially when using Rakza 7 Soft, resulting in the ball going into the net (another member has already pointed this out). When close to the table if I block actively when in position the ball is returned more successfully onto the table, but when I'm out of position or make passive shots against power-loops or drives the ball either jumps out of table with high catapult or hits the net and I lose the point. This again happens more on Rakza 7 Soft. Lastly, I have been using the Rakza 7 on FH for about 6 months and I feel it has lost it's feel and grip as most of my slower drivers are going into the net unless I lift them heavily. How long should the playing characteristics last if I'm playing 10-15 hours a week??? Again thanks for your valuable inputs guys. |
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unstopabl3
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That's my experience with Rakza 7 as well especially the soft version and I was playing great with them against equal level players. But ever since I've started playing against very high level players I see the problems with this rubber. Most people would suggest barracuda on the BH, so you are saying it's also good on FH??? Do you like it more than Rakza 7??? |
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