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    Posted: 07/08/2008 at 11:58am
The fabled new 'SmartPong' table tennis robot is *finally* available in the United States for domestic shipping with factory warranty. Remote controlled and programmable, with room for 9 customized ball patterns, the SmartPong robot is cutting edge and a lasting value as a robotic training tool. See the demo video and read the details at http://www.smartpongrobot.com/ .

Initial Quantities are limited and retail inquiries are welcomed.

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Nice machine, however I'd prefer Robo Pong 2040 or Robomaster II.
I mean, 1699.00 is just little bit too much for a machine.
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Comsumerism is all about choices! :-) Some may not need the convenience of the wireless remote control, or its programmability. Personally, I'm impressed with the way this single wheel machine can switch from top to underspin and back from ball to ball. Beats running back there behind the machine to twist the head yourself. :-)

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Good point Alan.
But is remote and spin switch function really worth about $1000.00 more?
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Yea, these functions may be great, but 1600 is just too much considering the fact that you don't have THAT much more...
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It's a free market, for sure, so no criticism of your comment. :-)

But from where I sit, the fact that the ball head is motorized to change spin from ball to ball in a very precisely controlled way, that this can be programmed into a sequence or changed 'on the fly' and that there is no control box or wire connection required...

those are unique features and the change of spin in sequence is beyond any other one-wheel design I know. Most robots wth that function are $3,000 US and above.

www.smartpongrobot.com

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Yes very true Alan.
If you have money to burn why not drive a Mercedes not a Civic LOL.
 
But when you are not thinking of going pro in this "PingPong" field, why spend so much money for a "HOBBY" is what I'm reffering to.
 
And then again YES, there are machines that go for more than $2-3K.
AGAIN, those are for pros... Not when you have 40 hrs a week job.
 
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Alan, cool robot, wish I have the cash.  As far as being "overpriced", I actually think it's reasonable.  Hopefully with more of these on the market, the competition will drive the pricing to a more mainstream level.  GL w/ your endeavor. 
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Alan, I purchased a Stiga programmable robot several years ago that is the exact configuration as the speedpong, even instructions and owners manuals are the exact same.  Do you know the history of the evolvement and history of the distributors and possibly why Stiga stopped marketing them?  Stiga advertised and marketed them for less than a year in the US and then you couldn't find them anywhere in any Stiga product info.  Also a response to the statement that "expensive robots are for the pro's" is ridiculous.  A live person is always better than a robot because of the variation of the way a human hits the ball is not machine-like as a robot so if you are going to play humans than humans provide the best training for each other.  Robots are great when you have no practice partner and expensive robots try to replicate even more of human capabilities  but are not capable of hitting with the variation that real human players do.  Even multiball training with a human is far superior than multiball training with a robot.  I dare say you can't find a pro who trains with a robot other than promoting one for a company and then it is just for the advertisement.
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Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

Alan, I purchased a Stiga programmable robot several years ago that is the exact configuration as the speedpong, even instructions and owners manuals are the exact same.� Do you know the history of the evolvement and history of the distributors and possibly why Stiga stopped marketing them?� Stiga advertised and marketed them for less than a year in the US and then you couldn't find them anywhere in any Stiga product info.� Also a response to the statement that "expensive robots are for the pro's" is ridiculous.� A live person is always better than a robot because of the variation of the�way a human hits the ball is not machine-like�as a robot so if you are going to play humans than humans provide the best training for each other.� Robots are great when you have no practice partner and expensive robots try to replicate even more of�human capabilities �but are not capable of hitting with the variation that real human players do.� Even multiball training with a human is far superior than multiball training with a robot.� I dare say you can't find a
pro who trains with a robot other than promoting one for a company and then it is just for the advertisement.


Have you ever heard of saying "figure of speech" what I implied to "pros use" was just that.

Now, and you can and would spend so much money on a machine that has so many functions. But as you said, machine may never replace a human opponent... Then why the hell would you pay $1600 for a robot when there is a robot that does the job at about $500.

And also please read my other reply to this post. As I said if you have so much money to burn then go right ahead and do so, as in you prefer Mercedes over a Civic? be my guest and enjoy your money. However, I will stick to a $500 machine, not that I own one, if I was to buy one.

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Yea I got a "stiga robot trainer" that looks just like the smartpong.
Not sure when the brandname changed, but I know it was manufactured in taiwan.
I got it used on ebay for $500. Ttpioneers was selling it. It works pretty well,
but I can't really figure out how to program it, but I'm sure if I read the manual I'll figure it out.

Alan, are you affiliated with Joola? I thought I saw the the smartpong in the joola booth at the US open. I thought that they were gonna stick their
brandname on it like they do with the TTmatic robots (or maybe its the other way around)
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My robot  is cheap and easy to use........my dad
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Originally posted by tomtomny tomtomny wrote:

Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

Alan, I purchased a Stiga programmable robot several years ago that is the exact configuration as the speedpong, even instructions and owners manuals are the exact same.  Do you know the history of the evolvement and history of the distributors and possibly why Stiga stopped marketing them?  Stiga advertised and marketed them for less than a year in the US and then you couldn't find them anywhere in any Stiga product info.  Also a response to the statement that "expensive robots are for the pro's" is ridiculous.  A live person is always better than a robot because of the variation of the way a human hits the ball is not machine-like as a robot so if you are going to play humans than humans provide the best training for each other.  Robots are great when you have no practice partner and expensive robots try to replicate even more of human capabilities  but are not capable of hitting with the variation that real human players do.  Even multiball training with a human is far superior than multiball training with a robot.  I dare say you can't find a
pro who trains with a robot other than promoting one for a company and then it is just for the advertisement.


Have you ever heard of saying "figure of speech" what I implied to "pros use" was just that.

Now, and you can and would spend so much money on a machine that has so many functions. But as you said, machine may never replace a human opponent... Then why the hell would you pay $1600 for a robot when there is a robot that does the job at about $500.

And also please read my other reply to this post. As I said if you have so much money to burn then go right ahead and do so, as in you prefer Mercedes over a Civic? be my guest and enjoy your money. However, I will stick to a $500 machine, not that I own one, if I was to buy one.

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I think the point that Alan was trying to make is, compared to robots with comparable functions, the smartpong has a lot of bang for the buck.   Now granted a robot isn't necessary to play table tennis but for someone who only has access to a table tennis venue only once a week but desires more training time and does not have access to a training partner (due to whatever: time conflicts, location distances) a robot is a nice substitute.  Granted, money is a limitation on how upscale you want to get with a robot purchase, but upscale means more realism as in how much the robot will imitate human play.  I have owned the "$500 model" and I now own the "$1600 model".  And quite simply the $1600 dollar is much nicer with more options.  Is it required?  No, but if you have the financial flexibility than that's great.  But to dismiss it and disparage it because there are cheaper versions seems reckless.  If you want to go down that road why spend even the $500?  You can just tilt one half of the table and play against that or play against the wall.  Or you can just shadow stroke and save on the cost of the ball and a table.  Or better yet, why even play table tennis as a hobby as there is a cost?  Walking might be cheaper.  Whoops, I forgot, shoes cost money, how about walking barefoot? 
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Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

I think the point that Alan was trying to make is, compared to robots with comparable functions, the smartpong has a lot of bang for the buck.   Now granted a robot isn't necessary to play table tennis but for someone who only has access to a table tennis venue only once a week but desires more training time and does not have access to a training partner (due to whatever: time conflicts, location distances) a robot is a nice substitute.  Granted, money is a limitation on how upscale you want to get with a robot purchase, but upscale means more realism as in how much the robot will imitate human play.  I have owned the "$500 model" and I now own the "$1600 model".  And quite simply the $1600 dollar is much nicer with more options.  Is it required?  No, but if you have the financial flexibility than that's great.  But to dismiss it and disparage it because there are cheaper versions seems reckless.  If you want to go down that road why spend even the $500?  You can just tilt one half of the table and play against that or play against the wall.  Or you can just shadow stroke and save on the cost of the ball and a table.  Or better yet, why even play table tennis as a hobby as there is a cost?  Walking might be cheaper.  Whoops, I forgot, shoes cost money, how about walking barefoot? 
 
Well said Clannewton. ClapClap
 
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Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

I think the point that Alan was trying to make is, compared to robots with comparable functions, the smartpong has a lot of bang for the buck.�� Now granted a robot isn't necessary to play table tennis but for someone who only has access to a table tennis venue only once a week but desires more training time and does not have access to a training partner (due to whatever: time conflicts, location distances) a robot is a nice substitute.� Granted, money is a limitation on how upscale you want to get with a robot purchase, but upscale means more realism as in how much the robot will imitate human play.� I have owned the "$500 model" and I now own the "$1600 model".� And quite simply the $1600 dollar is much nicer with more options.� Is it required?� No, but if you have the financial flexibility than that's great.� But to dismiss it and disparage it�because there are cheaper versions seems reckless.� If you want to go down that road why spend even the�$500?� You can just tilt one half of the table and play against that or play against the wall.� Or you can just shadow stroke and save on the�cost of the ball and a table.� Or better yet, why even play table tennis as a hobby as there is a cost?� Walking might be cheaper.� Whoops, I forgot, shoes cost money, how about walking barefoot?�


LOL yeah yeah very funny.
Then let me ask you this, why settle with a machine that is about $1600?? Why not go all the way? Say, spend about $3-4k maybe?
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Well said Clannewton. ClapClap


For others, it is not polite to criticize the product because you don't want to spend money. If you don't intend to buy, please don't give any comment. Please respect the other people's bussiness.
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Well said indeed tdragon.
Just couple of things about how you feel/react to my replies.
First, if you cannot criticize a product, you shouldn't be hanging out in this forum. Don't you see all those criticism on the blades and rubbers? Aren't most of us in this forum wants to share what we think about the ping pong products? And/or skills and etc...
Secondly, what makes you think I have no intention to purchase this product? Give it to me for $500.00 I'll buy this right this minute. I thought I made my self clear when I said too expensive for my taste.

People these days, just does not know what is respect and what is criticism.
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I poure one of these every month into my Jeeps tank. Time to buy Geo Metro lol.

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