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ttEDGE - William 
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I'd be keen to get your feedback on this video. In fact I'd like to see you do it!
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Hilarious...
But with all my new interest in serving, right up my alley... I believe I have seen this linked to elsewhere as well - pretty good stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3359612051&feature=iv&src_vid=6eXeL2fn3_0&v=ECGfgXg668M What I find hilarious is that other than the broom prop, I've done everything else in that video once at one time or another. It's crazy what one goes through to build a serve... It's great that a good server is actually teaching serving deception tricks at a detailed level. Edited by NextLevel - 10/05/2014 at 8:11am |
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Nice video...very entertaining. I thinks that it's also important to emphasize the need to brush the ball near the 6 o'clock position with a open blade at a very near horizontal angle. This will increase backspin and reduce the ball's forward momentum to keep the serve short.
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 12:10pm |
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This is both hilarious and very clever! For all the hilarity, this seems like a pretty effective serve!
Edit: I watched your backspin serve video, that's a quality tutorial right there! I'm going to get right on that and start practicing the japanese ninja training techniques :P Edited by Argothman - 10/05/2014 at 12:21pm |
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 1:08pm |
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Interesting.....I need to practice that and use against some 80 year olds at the local seniors home rec room!
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 1:30pm |
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You don't have 10 year old juniors you can unleash this on? ^_^
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 1:34pm |
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Haha funny guy! Very entertaining.
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Nice video, but I think the Snakeman (hopefully he's reading this) might disagree with that being called the "snake" serve!
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 5:15pm |
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I think he gets a little over excited by the mechanics of what is actually going on here. It is only really a pendulum serve which switches to a reverse type follow through immediately after contact. Fred aces me with a lefty version at least once a week. By the time I realise which way the ball is going it is already too wide to reach. Sadly he can't do it with enough consistency to make it effective in matches. Fred's version is at around 1:30 in the top vid below and as usual, he hits himself in the ribs with his bat.
Not a snake serve by what I understand the definition to be, although I have never actually seen a serve which goes both ways and find it difficult to understand how a ball's angular momentum could change in such a way to make a true snake serve possible. I suspect this serve is what people are facing when they claim to have seen a ball go both ways. The quick action could confuse players into believing the early part of the flight moves in a reverse direction.
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 5:15pm |
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Glad you liked it. Would anyone be game to film themselves attempting the Snake Serve and uploading to youtube?
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 7:37pm |
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Hope you are not meaning me, I find the reverse pendulum serve hard enough lol
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i once saw someone do a figure 8 after a high toss and random contact afterwards. lol seemed like too much work
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 11:14pm |
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I like the serve. Thanks for posting. I can do the reverse, but the antireverse (snake serve) looks pretty hard. I'll work on it.
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Posted: 10/05/2014 at 11:20pm |
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No, there is a "snakeman" - I believe he goes under that name on this forum. I'll try and get him to upload his "snake" shot/serve.
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What exactly is a "figure 8" move? Do you have any ref. video? Thanks.
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from my experience, it is impossible to fool any advanced advanced player with any fake "reverse" serve. You can disguise the top/backspin components very well, but it's just plain impossible to fake the sidespin direction. Just from the way the ball exits the bat, you already know the sidespin direction. However, a no-spin version of a sidespin serve is very disillusioning to the receiving player if they don't expect it. They expect it to curve but it doesn't, so looks like a "snake" to them.
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JKC,
The guy in the video is a past Olympian. He knows what is happening. He is just stressing through humor that the lazy pendulum with reverse follow through is not what he is looking for. Blahness, It's hard to fool "advanced advanced" players with anything. Ultimately, you just people to hesitate by giving them more things to think about. I know a top player who serves and teaches his students the reverse snake which is a slower serve and clearly a reverse serve, but the problem for me was never being able to figure out where the reverse spin came from in the service motion. The coach showed me later and it became trivial to read it, but once you force someone to look for two serves out of the same service action, you slow down their speed in reacting to the serve. |
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Posted: 10/06/2014 at 9:32am |
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'Snake' serves are just an illusion. You can get a slight variation of spin direction caused by the balls interaction with the table, but its very subtle. Brett's serves play a trick on the brain of the less observant, the brain watches the ball, but picks up the (exaggerated) arm movement in the peripheral vision, rather than the smaller wrist movement which tells the true story. Watch it on your PC screen whilst blocking out the arm movement, so you can just see the balls trajectory, and its not so mystical.
It works for me more as a last minute directional change when shaping up for a short to the f/hand ( R/Hander) reverse pendulum presenting as a deep to the b/hand fast ball by virtue of a wrist flip just before contact. Its less of a trick and far more useful.
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A real "snake serve" is a corkscrew topspin, floated high with just so much spin so the ball can grab. If you do it just right, the ball bounces one way, the axis changes just a hair on the bounce, and then it bounces the other way just a little on the second bounce, making an S shaped path.
Fransisco Mendez had a nice one. Probably still has, I guess. Edited by cole_ely - 10/06/2014 at 11:03am |
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Yes, its very subtle, when I was a kid we called it the Wobbler.
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Yes, this what I thought a "snake" serve was - ball travels in an S - path. First time, I saw it, I thought it was impossible from a physics stand point.
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Posted: 10/06/2014 at 12:39pm |
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Nice post APW46...it is an illusion of course. This is why I mix it in with the reverse serve. The mind sees the bigger arm movement and expects the reverse line. The smaller wrist action is overlooked and it feels like the ball moves the "wrong" way. The topspin makes the ball kick quickly, giving people little time to work out what actually happened. Cheers, Brett
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Posted: 10/06/2014 at 12:54pm |
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Very sneaky!!!!!! Also hilarious.
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Thanks for your condescesion, but I have been around and played some pretty good servers myself. I'm not sure that either you or he have watched the slo-mo replays because my description of what is going on is far more accurate than his, 'past Olympian' or not.
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His description involves learning from snakes in a temple and serving off twin 10 yr olds like a boss. He doesn't mention his pedigree so it is easy to mistake his jovial nature for ignorance.
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Hi JKC, I watched Fred play on your channel and like his compact strokes and obvious feeling for the game. I think he uses his wrist really well on his backhand and has a good looking serve there to boot. As for my snake serve video, I just appreciate the fact that you guys are even talking about it. Cheers, Brett
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MY serves tend to be lizard style, but if I ever develop a snake, I will upload a video...
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Posted: 10/06/2014 at 5:57pm |
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NextLevel, please upload that lizard anyway
 . I can ask Master Snake to look at it for you! |
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Mine are more of a slow-worm style nowadays.
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