soft but stiff blade

king_pong wrote: Puppy oversimplifies here  puppy412 wrote: I know this is not quantum physics level... but to simplify, describe better and be able to share information with others it's better to do hard = stiff soft = flexible Assiduous is right on here about 'flex' & 'softness' being two distinct properties of a blade-- assiduous wrote: soft is a property of the top layer of wood. you can have the softest wood as core,  but if you put koto as outer layer, the blade will be hard.  Stiff is a property of blade structure, not wood layer. In particular it measures the degree of flex at the neck. The Nexy Designer Diary does a good job of explaining how woods combined can change the effect of a blade --  - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35293 For a basic comparison,  Stiga Offensive Classic is generally considered a hard blade that is flexible.  Very thin Limba outer plies over Spruce medial plies is what gives this blade that overall feeling. Avalox P700 - slightly thicker Limba outer plies over 5 successive Ayous plies are what make the P700 7-ply blade a "soft but stiffer" blade.

can we please agree on eliminating all this and having just 1 adjective that indicates the hardness of a blade?

could be feel like butterfly
or stifness like donic.




Edited by puppy412 - 02/02/2014 at 3:04pm

puppy412 wrote: can we please agree on eliminating all this and having just 1 adjective that indicates the hardness of a blade? could be feel like butterfly or stifness like donic.

That would apply to 1 ply blades , not multi-ply blades.

but all blades are stiff if you want to put it that way.
no blade bends or anything like that.
I mean they are all made partially of wood and the wood doesn't bend.
that's why I think butterfly, donic, tibhar only talk about the feel (stiff, hard, etc).

puppy412 wrote: but all blades are stiff if you want to put it that way. no blade bends or anything like that. I mean they are all made partially of wood and the wood doesn't bend. that's why I think butterfly, donic, tibhar only talk about the feel (stiff, hard, etc).

I take it you've never used a Hock 3-ply blade.

jt99sf wrote: puppy412 wrote: but all blades are stiff if you want to put it that way. no blade bends or anything like that. I mean they are all made partially of wood and the wood doesn't bend. that's why I think butterfly, donic, tibhar only talk about the feel (stiff, hard, etc). I take it you've never used a Hock 3-ply blade.

nope, but in that case you would just say that it feels really hard.

puppy412 wrote: jt99sf wrote: puppy412 wrote: but all blades are stiff if you want to put it that way. no blade bends or anything like that. I mean they are all made partially of wood and the wood doesn't bend. that's why I think butterfly, donic, tibhar only talk about the feel (stiff, hard, etc). I take it you've never used a Hock 3-ply blade. nope, but in that case you would just say that it feels really hard.

Honestly, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Bye, puppy...

+1

Try Yasaka Extra 3D, then you will know what we mean by "flex".....


It is the blade that I always refer to, when talking about soft yet flexy......

anyone has a superb idea here, tanx everybody! we the table tennis in blood, have been aiming perfectly on how the game is played beautifully, the strokes ,skills are changing profoundly, hard stiff soft feeling blades play an important role to our unique talent, im new to this forum, playing since 1987... and will continue and continue for the search for beauty...

Tinykin wrote: Imago wrote: Only thin big 5-ply blades can be really flexible. Come and see what is flex with Bengtsson'72 blade (163x153x5.2) Or try Grubba ALL- Pro... Very true about the Bengtsson'72 blade. Unique. I have one and it is not comparable to another blade. No wonder they go for so much these days.