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pingponger
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Posted: 12/23/2012 at 12:20pm |
I've read in an old post in another forum that inverted topsheet without sponge is not allowed. Does anyone know why? Please advise.
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It's not allowed, because the rule states so. I have no idea as to what reasons there are for this to be out ruled though, but it is.
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Ittf confirms just the rubber normal side not inverted side and it must be a confirmed mark on the sheet.
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but the ITTF mark is on the inverted (smooth) side *scratching my head*. can you elaborate?
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You may use the inverted topsheet upside down as a short pips/middle pips rubber. After all, it is the topsheet that is approved, not the sponge.
P.S. This looks like another stupidity contest. So I am in. Edited by Imago - 12/23/2012 at 2:01pm |
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Very valid question. Not approved by the ITTF....then why? I would like to know the answer myself.
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Would anyone REALLY want to use an OX pips in sheet?
It has to do with how ITTF defines a covering. Why they did that? Ask a drunken monkey...
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A member from my club plays with inverted ox...are you saying it's illegal?
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Look at the covering. Look for the ITTF or natl association stamp. do you see it? Is it on the approved list?
Some rubbers are designed to be played pips out OX, like a hardbat rubber. If it is an approved rubber, than it is an approved rubber. ITTF has not sanctioned Pips-In OX rubber yet. Has any natl association done this?
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As for what goes in a club... big deal. Anyone want to get bent out of shape whether a dude shows up with one of these OX Pips-In rubbers, whatever, there are more important things to worry about.
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I'm still quite interested in the real answer to this question. And I'm not alone. I know there's always the section of asking Mr. Sharara directly, but wanted to ask the community first.
There are more important things to direct our energies on than trolling around. And was anyone really trying to use an OX sheet pips in?? Really? LOL |
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I searched around some more and got answers that satisfied me. The reason was historical, and no explicit restriction on spongeless inverted (it just got left out of the mix, because it was a circus back then as to what racket surface/covering was going to be accepted), when ITTF was still writing its rules.
Here is a link to another forum thread which talks about the topic (admins, please feel free to moderate if there are issues with linking to other forums): http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17863&start=15&sid=2a160ffec47b09c753ab963a2610981e Edited by pingponger - 12/23/2012 at 6:09pm |
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This was discussed on
about.com some time ago. Not making inverted Ox rubbers legal was an accident
of omission from the original 1959 ruling. Also accidentally left off were
sandpaper, cork and wood coverings. Unfortunately, it has never been corrected so
those coverings are illegal. So basically, inverted Ox, sandpaper, cork and wood are all acceptable coverings but unfortunately illegal by accidental omission from the ITTF rules. Here is an extract from
the posts of Jay Turber and bcbcbc. http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?sr=y&msg=28480.26&nav=messages&webtag=ab-tabletennis Jay: “The rule is very explicit. You have two
options, ordinary pimpled rubber with pips out or sandwich
rubber. That makes it clear that if the pips are in, it
must be sandwich rubber. It gets more specific by defining what it means
by "ordinary pimpled rubber" and "sandwich rubber." 2.4.3
A side of the blade used for striking the ball shall be covered with either ordinary
pimpled rubber, with pimples outwards having a total thickness including
adhesive of not more than 2mm, or sandwich rubber, with pimples inwards or
outwards, having a total thickness including adhesive of not more than
4mm. 2.4.3.1 Ordinary pimpled rubber is a single layer of
non-cellular rubber, natural or synthetic, with pimples evenly distributed over
its surface at a density of not less than 10 per sq. cm and not more than
30 per sq. cm. 2.4.3.2 Sandwich rubber is a single layer of cellular
rubber covered with a single outer layer of ordinary pimpled rubber, the
thickness of the pimpled rubber not being more than 2mm.” Bcbcbc: “>> The rule is very explicit. It explicitly says what is legal. It does not explicitly say
that ox inv is illegal. That is implicit by omission. I agree 100% that
your interpretation of the actual text is the only logical
interpretation I just see no clear and unambiguous intent to eliminate ox inv. The rule
makers were very detailed and explicit about maximum thicknesses of rubber
and total sandwich. If they really cared about inv having a sponge wouldnt they
have listed a minimum thickness? >> It seems unlikely
that this was an accident that has somehow survived for years. That rule dates
to 1959!! I suspect the reasons stopped being discussed decades ago - which is
why neither of us has heard anything about it. If it were a new rule, I could
see that it may just be a matter of poor wording. But the rule is as old as I
am, so that seems unlikely. Surely something would have motivated a
"fix" in nearly fifty years. Why? Who ever cared? I've seen recreational bats with ox inverted. Nobody cares if they're 'legal' or not. Inverted works better with MORE sponge. Classic anti works better with sponge to kill speed. Players looking for reversal can/could do better with pips. Has anybody at nationals ever complained that the opponent was cheating due to using inverted without sponge? Has there ever been a usatt or ittf ruling that did explicitly say that ox inv is illegal and give a reason?” Edited by Tinykin - 12/23/2012 at 6:30pm |
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It is illegal to play with OX inverted, but it is allowed to use it to simply cover one side of the blade.
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Its just a rule, why is the sky blue?
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JUST PLAY THE GAME....
it is all belongs to the days of the past. All the law-makers who layed down the Rubber&Racket rules back in 1959, are stone dead by now. You shall never know a true answer for your why's, never you shall. Drop asking iddle questions.... Relax, and play the game. It is still admirable, anyway. Yes.... |
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Playing with no sponge inverted is quite funny. Sometimes I do it to bring new dimension to the game.
Edited by ChichoFicho - 12/24/2012 at 9:19am |
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In addition to playing the game, I find enjoyment in learning the principles and reasonings behind its rules, history, etc. Not learning from the past and from dead contributors is something you are free to make but I discourage you from. If you live your life in blind acceptance of things, that's your choice, but that is not an intelligent person's. I got my answer, from researching. Read above. I think I also helped a couple of people who also wondered. If you think a question is idle, replying to it is more idle. Yes, we need to relax and play this admirable and well-thought-out (but still evolving) game, and not troll around. Cheers...
Edited by pingponger - 12/24/2012 at 1:11pm |
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