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sidofmillenium
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My no. 1 priority is dwell time...I want maximum of that.....
tdragon, you should try to read the thread to know whats going on...I have never tried Balsa...I am not advising Balsa to anyone...I am going to buy it...and was looking for some advice...
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nicefrog
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A few people here are pretty fast to knock balsa blades, a lot of the better long term loopers around where I live had decided on medium thickness balsa blades and Chinese rubbers totally indepentant of each other, that's just what they have found best over the years. But NO one any good uses a 10mm thick one. I haven't used the R1 but I'm assuming it's almost as fast as the Kool and that's too fast, if it's indeed alot slower than that then it might be ok, I highly reccomend the TSP 6.5 Fitter, it's only got a very thin Limba ply then a very thin layer of fibreglass (no carbon). The grain of the Balsa runs from face to face, it's the only line of blades that do that. It's a really good thing, although I'm almost the only person on the forum that uses it :) so no one else will know. haggisv uses the TSP 4.5 and I'm sure he has not only used almost every blade but can have any blade he wants :) |
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tomas.gt
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I am confused. You cant have off blade and maximum dwell time at the same time. Also you mentioned you need "maximum dwell time for my flat hits".
Flexible blades with softer outter plies = high dwell time are good for looping. They keep tha ball longer on the racket and provide more spin and therefor more control a stable curve while looping.
These blade are not the best for hitting. The longer the ball on the racket, the more incoming spin sensitive reaction.
With balsa and its high rebound speed you can hit without caring much about incoming spin.
There is nothing like spinniest and fastest blade with the most flexibility possible. These features are combined in every blade and all you have to decide is the ratio between these aspects. And decide it accordingly to your playing style/strategy.
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Valentine
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Right. It's just impossible to have fastest, spinniest and most control on the same blade. Flexy blades with high dwell are not that good for flat hitting. Light blades aren't either. For flat hitting I would choose something like a Clipper, Mazunov, Yasaka Max Wood, or Avalox 7ply. Soft rubbers aren't good for flat hitting either, so stay away from F3 Big Slam, etc. Best rubber for flat hitting (for me) is Bryce Speed.
Offensive blades with very high dwell (not sure if "the maximum", but very high for sure) would be Yasaka Extra 3d and Bty Jonyer for example. But those are archetypical looper's blades not hitting blades. If you pair them with super soft rubbers you have a disaster, super springy catapult with no directional control, horrible for flat hitting. |
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icontek
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Only sid could theorize that the R*1 would would be the "Spinniest Blade with most control"...
For players with decent topspin technique, a blade's control is its ability to produce spin relative to its speed. the R*1 is very, very, fast. a smashers dream. loops may sometimes hit the table. mostly they will go long. p.s. if you see "*****EST" thread titles, you know the poster does not understand compromises and will wind up with a combo that is uniquely awkward. |
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Valentine
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Exactly. It's a matter of balance. The "*******est" blade or the "most ****" and "maximum ******" will result in a horrible blade and useless for playing in the real world.
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Salamandr
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I agree and I must say that it is annoing to read ***est and maximum ****** topics. This one was so obvious that I had to react. I was also curious how this horrible topicname was introduced at the first post. But no surprise for me...
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sidofmillenium
Gold Member Joined: 12/22/2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1504 |
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Its all solved thanks to Waldmeister post in MYTH: Tacky rubbers produce more spin. Perhaps this thread should have been titled Longest Dwell Time Combo...but I cannot edit it....
Therefore...as mentioned by 7plywood...claim by Joola...and makes sense by my understanding of science...Joola R1 should give maximum dwell time...if not, then care to explain the theory, so I can discover what will...(since my main aim is not to compose a perfect blade...but to also understand the ironic constantly changing physics behind it.)
As for the rubber, the softest, least tense topsheet/sponge, thickest, and tackiest will create greatest dwell time....do you guys know such a rubber?(or know where I can buy topsheet/sponge seperately...or maybe a way I can detach european sponge, and chinese topsheet...and attach them together?!) I tried doing it personally...but the glue is very strong...and cannot find such rubber...do you guys know of a way to break the glue?
Now, overtime, does soft rubber becomes softer or harder?
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Dafydd393
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The rubber will become softer the more you use it. But, say you left you rubber in direct sunlight or high temperature, your rubber will harden...
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sidofmillenium
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isn't stretching softening? And hardening compressing? So if the rubbers left to beat up with balls..wouldn't they end up being just dead?!(returning to their original state...medium hardness)...even when the sponge is hard..I feel topsheet is soft...to create the speed therefore...
I would agree hard equipment provides quicker speed, but with better technique, one may be able to utilize the spring effect of soft rubbers and turn it into the fastest, spinniest and most control due to dwell time...(I know tacky are considered spinnier in short game...b/c they hold the ball longer...therefore, on no spin/no pace balls..tacky are spinnier...but on loop rallies...grippy rubbers are therefore more spinnier)
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cole_ely
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If your number one priority is dwell time, then use a hock three ply.
Eventually you'll come to realize that the best thing is to find a balance. |
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nicefrog
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Sid, the whole point of different rubbers and blades isn't to say, this is the softest, this is the best rararar etc. It's all about matching the blade and rubber to each other and match them both to yourself (most important).
You can gain quite a few points per game by fine tuning this to suit your style, getting as detailed as the right hardness sponge for how hard you hit the ball, so you get the contact on the blade *just* right so that the ball plays consistantly each and every time you hit it. My game is improving all the time now, just because I understand more about the relationship between blade rubber and ball since I became a part time EJ :). But it could easily take 5 rubber tests and then 3 different hardness's of the selected rubber to find the right rubbers for any one blade and your style, that's just what you have to do if you want it just right. It's not so hard to select a blade since mostly you are just choosing a speed that your skill level can control, rubbers are more complex. I'm not sure how the us ratings are below 1600 but 1600 ALL+ 2000 OFF- 2200 OFF 2200+ OFF+ I think that would be a rough guide as to what is usable to almost it's full potential (for a conventional player), One of my little aprentices uses a soft feel Aralyte blade, I had a go with it tonight, it's quite nice but it's too slow for me, however it's great for him, he had _no chance_ to control that V1 I was having a hit with and played very badly with it, so it's all about finding the right combo for _you_ |
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