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Vladovich 
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 Topic: Sriver - as I saw it...Posted: 01/03/2011 at 6:35pm |
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After 3 years of playing with Kong Lighui Euro, I decided to try Sriver's with Primorac off-, because it is highly recommended everywhere. I played with this setup for two days, and my first impression is that I can't see the difference between the topsheet of PAN-ASIA from premade paddle and Sriver. This rubber has less grip than my one year old LKT Pro XP. I read on this forum when one said Sriver is not tacky but grippy, but I can tell you - from my point of view this rubber is non grippy also.
Still, it seems that I produce more spin on serves than with my main setup (Kong Linghui with 729 Faster's), it is harder to make some backspin balls over the net, but sometimes I hit some very good topsin, I don't know from where that top spin is coming, probably from more dwell time, but certainly not from grip of the Srivers top sheet. Blocking feels strange and unstable for now. I expected more control since it is slower setup, but my mistakes stays same, same balls go over the table, and little more balls goes into the net. But I decided to play a little bit longer with this setup and get used to it.
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garwor
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 7:21pm |
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Once I bought sheet of sriver L and was excited because it is highly recomended rubber...
I attached it on Kreanga Powerspin blade using btty free chack glue. It was really unplayable, hard like a stone, 30 % slower than sriver fx on bh, I needed max power swing just to send ball on other side of net, and also didn't mention any spin...I presumed it was due to new glue, and somehow, after 2 hours peeling job, managed to remove glue from sponge. For several days I reglued it every day at least twice with old glue, but simply nothing happened, it couldn't even make rubber flat (after water based glue it was curled on wrong side, sponge smaller than rubber). So I threw rubber into trash. I have to say that before this, I used yasaka mark V on fh for many years, and it was good rubber, expected something close to it. I tried this sheet of sriver also on Primorac off-, same problems. Could be all because of new glue. I tried other people's bats with srivers after this, every time I found it was very good rubber. Also, some says it needs some time to break, after few gluings with old glue, it will become softer also. |
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 8:29pm |
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When I used to play with Mark V many many many years ago I tried Sriver and declared it the worst rubber in the world, no spin, too low etc. I didn't revisit Sriver for 20 years. When I recently played with it again after 15 years on Chinese rubbers I thought it was really a great rubber, low, fast spinny all around a good thing and one of the very best grippy style rubbers I've used. Now days I think it's better than Mark V. Go figure :)
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 11:07pm |
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Rubbers like Sriver and Mark V need to be used with VOC glues. If you use water glues, it is plays pretty flat and you need spend more time to break it in.
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 12:15am |
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Sriver is less effected by oncoming spin due to the rubber formula in the topsheet. There is actually a small percentage of plastic used in the manufacturing process to give Sriver it's qualities. Drive spin is ok but not great. Brush looping provides very nice spin and overall has a more direct feel than Mark V. I agree use regular voc glue and build up a few layers and it will feel much better. I find regular Sriver to be excellent for BH 2.1mm. Some players love the low throw some don't. |
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 3:05am |
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Vladovich, mind putting up a picture of the Sriver you've got? I am interested in the condition of the topsheet given your feedback.
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 3:21am |
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Regular Sriver without glue does not work well with the 40mm ball, imho... Sriver with newer sponges like EL and FX variants works much better. Also, black Sriver topsheets tend to be more elastic and will provide a closer feel to a speed-glued one.
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 5:53am |
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I should realized this before I spend my money on Sriver. They always talk Sriver, Sriver, Sriver, but now I realize that when they say Sriver they meant Speed Glued Sriver, I don't think that little softer sponge will make any significant difference because it feels pretty dead already. Here is the picture, sorry I couldn't get it clearer, it is two days old and it collects dust as easily as tacky top sheets, there is no difference in that department: But! Since I spend a lot of money on this I plan to play with it for some time, to get used to it, and give it a chance, maybe after 20 years of playing, like nicefrog, I realize that it is a great rubber  . Or maybe I abandon it after some time and leave it for retirement days. |
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 8:02am |
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You dont have to glue it regularly, glue it with old glue once in 7 days for 5-6 times, and that should be enough, you can play for months without gluing. If you already used new glue, big damage is already made. Try to remove this glue (if it's tricky, apply little of baby oil, and after hour or two you should be able to easy remove glue), and then glue it few times with old glue. If sponge doesn't grow even after this, try oil (baby oil or parafin oil), and then glue, maybe can help.
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 8:15am |
I am sold after seeing the picture. :p |
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 10:19am |
DISCLAIMER I spent several years using Mark V, and later it's close sibling, Mendo, and only months with Sriver (L and FX). Didn't like Sriver's low throw on non-reactive top sheet. But in a very vague, general sense (throw angle, speed, hardness) Mark V is to H3 as Sriver L is to H2 What's funny is that I picked up a friend's blade with a brand new sheet of Mark V and it required verylittle adjustment coming from H3. Some of that is just familiarity, some of it is just because Mark is just that good. But it's no wonder you that prefer Sriver L now, nicefrog... (it requires very good technique to brush with because of the hard sponge, it's faster than Mark V on the top end, and it's more linear, stable for those big close to table attacks) |
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 2:25pm |
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Sriver EL and FX does feel closer to a speed glued rubber but with regular glue lacked speed. Good for allround play. Regular Sriver glued with regular glue is faster and more suited for hitters than loopers but one can still crank out a nice loop with some muscle. Sriver is a good choice if you want to tone down your speed on really fast blades and still have great control. More dwell time on Mark V, higher throw so a bit better for looping. I don't use water based glue ever. Good old Elmers or Best brand glues for me. Mendo with regular glue had the best touch and control but lacked top end speed. Sriver L on a fast springy blade is a nice fit like Nittaku Septear or Keyshot Light.
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 2:49pm |
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Even if you are not using a powerful speed glue with xtra vapors, and/or if you are not "regluing" your rubbers each time before you play, all Srivers are meant to be glued with VOC glue or rubber cement at the least once. It will soften them and make them more playable. If you just use water based glue to glue on your Sriver right out of the package it will play like crap.
Unless you are a beginner and can't tell the difference. |
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 4:55pm |
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If you finally get totally disgusted, try speedgluing it to the max just once. Then you'll see what Tenergy wishes it could do
 if you grew up in the speed glue era then never mind, it'll just make you wanna cry...
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 6:44pm |
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Well, I have to add this: I played today for the 3rd time with this setup, and although I still can't see the difference between top sheets of Pan-Asia and Sriver, I managed to restore all my shots, especially blocks, so it starts to feel right.
 Speed is almost there, I found my loops - they started to become more dangerous because of the lower trajectory of the ball, smashes are also more deadly and more secure, chops are much easier then with my previous setup, and I returned more balls on the table. So, I have feeling that I am starting to play better than with my old setup.Sorry, Sriver
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 7:02pm |
Try EL or FX. |
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Posted: 01/04/2011 at 8:05pm |
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It was EL that I used recently, first time was the original old time sheet :) but I think my game changed to suit rather than the rubber changing so much over the years
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Posted: 01/05/2011 at 12:38am |
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Sounds like the sheet has passed the break-in stage. It maybe ideal to
break in manually a new sheet next time around with a tenderizing mallet
to save the trouble?
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Posted: 01/05/2011 at 12:07pm |
Haha, right
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 9:52pm |
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I'm a big fan of Sriver. The firm sponge provides a good amount of power for a traditional rubber when used with proper looping form and the not tacky topsheet is not easily affected by you opponents spin. The key to getting the most out of this rubber is using proper strokes so that you hit through the ball and generate "mechanical spin". A very durable rubber.
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 3:56am |
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i like sriver too, now using the el as its softer for my weak backhand.
And realised red sheet can have better "rubbing" effect
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 10:42am |
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well you have to use Sriver as your first real rubber to like. If you have tried all kinds of rubbers before Sriver, won't feel anything special. I started out with Sriver FX and I recently tried Sriver EL I didn't like at all.
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Ha yeah Sriver was my first real rubber. Im thinking about changing to EL sometime and seeing if it helps with my loops. Any suggestions for other good looping rubbers?
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I played with Sriver soon after it came out. Before that I played with SOFT D-13. Sriver worked well with a 38mm ball when it was the hottest thing around back in the early 70s but now I would prefer much more spin. I prefer Mark V. Mark V can generate more spin but not enough to keep me happy. There are too many cheaper chinese rubbers that can out perform Mark V and Sriver. I think there are some ESN rubbers that are cheaper than Sriver that would provide a high spin to speed ratio. Someone mention Tibhar Legend recently in another thread but that may really be a chinese rubber too.
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 4:20pm |
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Alright thanks! I know earlier I was doing some research and I remember reading about RITC 729 Cream Transcend Sponge. Many reviewers said that this rubber was very similar if not better than Sriver. Any experience with this rubber?
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 4:22pm |
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After 1 month of playing with Primorac and Sriver L, I can say that my backhand topspin improved alot and it is a lot easier to do that shot consistently. I am still not sure about forehand, is it easier with some more powerful setup, or something with a higher throw, more spin. Low trajectory of the forehand shots still surprises me sometimes as the ball finishes into the net.
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 4:24pm |
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Vladovich is right. Backhand is wicked with Sriver!
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I would like to have, Sriver L with Primorac on backhand for topspin, and Kong Linghui with Faster when I am blocking :D, something similar on forehand. I need *magic* setup
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 4:38pm |
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Maybe Sriver EL because it has Srivers topsheet with a softer sponge so you would have more control when blocking, but you could still generate speed for topsin shots. Its worth a try.
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 4:48pm |
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sriver really is was different when used with water based glue, my friend ordered same balde as me with sriver, i used water based glue he ordered from megaspin they used voc regular glue, my sheet is so dead compared to his
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