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Shinigami
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Posted: 09/26/2010 at 10:30pm |
Hello everyone,
To start off, I've played TT off and on since I was 7, about 10 years ago. About two years ago I started playing actively at my Community College and got decent, as a recreational player. Now, I've decided to join the local TT club, which is something I've wanted to do for a while, and really get into competitive play. Of course, I'm near the bottom of the skill ladder there, but I expected as much :) I've been using a $15 Stiga Ultimate Balance I picked up from Dicks Sporting Goods last year. It's been ok for the casual playing I've been doing, but after talking to the guys at my TT club and trying some bats out I'm really looking for a decent custom made one. I've been doing a lot of research on how to put together a bat and it's all very confusing. I've haven't used many good bats so I don't really know how much speed vs. control etc. I'm looking for and I'd rather not spend a ton on something that I'll decide doesn't suit me. I'm hoping you experienced players can give me some recommendations. I play penhold, and I've starting using RPB and I'm enjoying it. I like playing offensively, but I use defense too, when I need it. I hope you can assist me :) |
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DeIgado
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729 bomb, mark v fh mark v bh.
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Shinigami
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Alrighty, thanks, I'll look into that.
Anyone have info on the Galaxy 896 available at Colestt.com? It caught my eye because in the description it says " If somebody tells me they like to stand a couple of steps back and loop the ball back with an emphasis on spin, this is what I recommend" (which is similar to how I play) and it's available in Penhold. |
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thewook82
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What's your budget?
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Shinigami
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Hmm...I'd prefer to spend $40-$60 but I can go up to $80 if needed.
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thewook82
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Ok, pretty limited then. Some of the cheaper Stiga Allround blades are good value.
Re rubbers, depends on your style of play. Something like Mark V or Sriver has good control and is fine for counterhitting but you'll struggle to loop with it.
German Tensors are good looping rubbers for intermediate players. Something like Xiom Vega Pro or Zeta.
Tenergy is very good but a large hike up in price. Be careful with much of the Chinese made gear as the quality can be appaling at times.
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DeIgado
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WHAT? Mark V and Sriver are great looping rubbers. I wasnt even going to say anything about your post but recommending tenergy to a new player is outright retarded. |
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thewook82
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Then I think we have different ideas about what a good looping rubber is. I used to use Mark V in the old days, but it does not have enough spring for topspinning without speed glue.
Disagree re Tenergy. I'd be perfectly happy to put it on a complete beginner's racket, given that they had a slow blade to match.
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BeaverMD
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The Galaxy 896 that Cole sells is a very underrated blade. I've used it with Gambler Outlaw and LKT Torrent, both of which Cole sells. There is also the Gambler Arylate Carbon blade which I also recommend. Zeropong.com sells this as a pre-assembled bat with Outlaw on both sides and a case included. That one is what I usually recommend for players wanting to get more serious without spending a whole lot.
As for the "Tenergy for beginners" discussion, thewook is of course an authority on all things table tennis. However, going from pre-made to Tenergy might be too big of a jump. Get one of the blades I recommended, get your footwork and strokes grooved, and then you can slap on some Tenergy.
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thewook82
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Thanks beaver but you no need to sugar-coat (as Delgado kindly demonstrates!). I don't mind people disagreeing with me and we're all here to discuss and learn. My point is that good rubbers are almost always suitable irrespective of what level the player is at in their development. If the racket is too fast for a beginner then adjust the speed of the blade instead. Switching from less advanced to more advanced rubbers as you improve is almost always an unnecessary waste of time IMO and could be better spent getting shots and technique right from the start. It's one thing to not want to spend on or be able to afford optimal equipment but in a perfect world we'd all be using good equipment from day 1.
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patrick1v
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this blade would be a nice one to start with http://ttnpp.com/shop/donic-persson-powerplay-senso-v1-p-54.html and 1 sheet of hexer duro plus possibly another may run you under $80
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DeIgado
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Your argument is solid, however, I still disagree based on the fact that both blade and rubbers should be changed based on a players game. That is why I recommended mark v and sriver because they are all around rubbers, used to help him with whatever style he wants to adjust to, then he can change rubbers and blade to fit his finalized style. |
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Shinigami
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Ok, so far I've had several blades and rubbers recommended. I'm kind of leaning towards the Galaxy 896 with maybe Mark V on both sides. Does that sound okay? That's not going to cost me much so if there I can get a better blade/rubber for a few extra bucks I'm open to it.
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louisc
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If i were you i would definitely go for an allround stiga blade even though is quite more expensive than the galaxy as thewook82 mentioned.As it comes for the rubbers you can always try friendship 729.I would go for either Focus I or Higher
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BTY AMULTART TENGERY 05 FH TENERGY 64 BH
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friendship
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LKT ayous/hinoki, 729 faster III 2,2 on white german sponge. tried this combo, it is not fast, nor slow, can do it all and these rubbers are easier to play than with sriver
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roundrobin
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Good advice. Don't forget to always buy in pairs (one for backup). Total is still less than $600... *Ooops, the OP said $60, not $600... |
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BeaverMD
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No sugar coating intended. Just acknowledging that when someone's at a higher level, they might have learned a thing or two about equipment
But you suggest that beginners use a slower blade with Tenergy (with the assumption that they have to use a faster blade later). What's the difference with starting and sticking with a long-term blade ex. Korbel or TBS and move from slow to faster rubbers? Mainly $$$. Or are you suggesting they start right away with the equipment they're going to use when they become higher level?
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Jonan
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I agree with the LKT Ayous/hinoki, very good blade with good touch and control, very forgiving in strokes with nice dwell but still pretty good speed. Come on people, tenergy for your first rubber? It's stupidly expensive and sensitive to spin with a very high arc and is very fast, what about that is good for a beginner's first real racket? Whatever happened to stuff like LKT Pro XT/XP, Rapid sound, 729 FX-C, 729-05/08, etc? Any of those will be perfectly fine and cost less than 1/4th the price. Or heck, IQUL is great...
Edited by Jonan - 09/28/2010 at 12:33am |
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RJTT
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Being a fairly new competitive novice I can tell you what I went with. Cole at colett sells some nice bats in the Dawei lineup that want break the bank. I went with the Dawei R2 and Inspirit Quattro 1.8 on both fh and bh sides. Cole might recommend a different bat but I like the combo I have. It is not too fast but yet has some speed when you push it. The Inspirit rubber is a Jap/Euro style rubber that is grippy but not tacky. I think the Inspirit gives you better control over the China tacky style. I think it is worth a look at his site and read the reviews on the Inspirit rubbers and Dawei bats and you will find they get nice reviews and they want break the bank. A friend of mine went with the Gambler setup and really likes his. I played with his and can say I think it ranks right with my Dawei setup and would use it if I hadnt gotten used to what I currently use. Both Tom at zeropong and Cole are stand up guys and stand behind their products so you cant go wrong with either one.Edited by RJTT - 09/28/2010 at 1:31am |
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friendship
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sugar-coat off
it makes sense to putting on cheaper equipment for first serious bat, because when you start with it you don't have the picture whiche equipment fits your style. there is no much crying if you are not completely satisfied with cheap rubbers, but what if tenergies don't fit your current play? Edited by friendship - 09/28/2010 at 3:54am |
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Shinigami
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So someone on a different forums recommended me the following setup:
www.colestt.com Galaxy 896 cpen (combo price $37+$5 shipping) FXEL Supersoft 2.0 fh Inspirit Quattro Ultralight 1.8 bh I like the sound of it. What do you think? |
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Thot
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For penhold I suggest Yasaka Extra with Mark V or Sriver. If you want to live dangerously you can try something tacky on the FH.
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foz
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Stiga ar classic, Donic vario Big slam 1.8 X2. PERFECT! youll love it! |
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Shinigami
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UPDATE:
So last night I formally joined the local table tennis club. There's a USATT approved coach there who everyone says is really good and he took the time to talk to me. He said he's really good at choosing bats for players, and apparently has done so for some of my clubs top players. We spent a few minutes playing and he e-mailed me a bat combination that he says is perfect for my style: BalsaCarbo x5 blade Tackifire special SOFT fh Catapult bh So what'dya think? I'm kind of inclined to go for it since he's the only one who's actually seen me play, even though it is a little pricey. Edited by Shinigami - 09/30/2010 at 12:22am |
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Thot
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Did he offered to sell it to you?
I'd say he's pro butterfly and you can find something similar at a better price. Whatever you buy, sooner or later you'll be tempted to try something different, especially if you are reading this forum. |
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roundrobin
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That reminds me of a time I visited one of my retail client's shop... A customer walked in and wanted to have a monogram on her towel. She asked what would be the best thread color for the logo. The shop owner glanced at his monogram machine and said "White". "White will be best."
...I would not buy this setup unless it's less than 1/2 of retail. Sounds like he's trying to get rid of it.
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1dennistt
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I would have to second the 896 blade from Cole. This is from his site "I also carry this blade in penhold. I often sell it to Ma Lin/Wang Hao
fans that want a blade that feels most like the Yasaka Extra". I believe someone mentioned trying the Yasaka blade in another post, and this should be similar.
Sounds like this should fit your game as described perfectly. For the rubber, how about Focus III for the forehand and LKT Pro XP for the backhand. And call/email Cole. He gives good advice on his products, and tries to stock quality stuff. The butterfly combo your pro recommended is going to work also, just a lot more pricey. I don't think either one will make a lot of difference while you are learning your basic skills, and if you damage a sheet or the blade while playing or practicing the blade from Cole is much cheaper to replace. |
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Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm)
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Shinigami
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Interestingly enough, he kinda did. He says he specializes in Butterfly and since he's a coach he gets discounts with them. On the price quote he came up with the retail price is $158 and his price is $135. I'm thinking I'll go with something from Colestt for now, I'm still to new to competitive table tennis to drop over $100 on a bat. |
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