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Dream1700
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could you compare the short game with that of the corresponding R50, R47 and R42? I am very curious about the unexpected bounciness during short pushes.
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R50 is not really hard doing short pushes or drop shots because it is a hard rubber. Adjustments can be made on the 47 and 42 rubbers
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Dream1700
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I meant comparing rasanters to DNA Pro in short game, e.g. DNA Pro M vs R47 during short game.
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yogi_bear
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I can only remember that both R50 and DNA H are very good on short shots
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BH-Man
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Had a very short hit with DNA Pro today - rubber felt like a modern control offensive rubber class. Not very dynamic, just control.
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Dream1700
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are you trying out Pro M? can you compare it with Rasanter R42 or R47? any other rubber that it reminds you of? Stiga should have a lottery for testers as Nexy did.
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Tommy16
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I have tested Pro H black with 2.1mm sponge and here are my observations. This thing is fast. Faster than R47 which I have used for couple of years now. It's spinny. Especially on harder strokes. It's relatively easy to control. Serving and receiving are both same as other esn rubbers. Maybe short game is a bit easier with Pro H than R47. Counter looping with this rubber is really easy. That's probably due the high throw angle of Pro H.
Now the downside. Even the rubber feels quite hard when you press it with your finger in strokes it feels much softer than R47. Too soft for my liking. I'm not sure if it is just full of booster or maybe the top sheet is soft but I think that it has way too soft feeling for such a hard rubber. It is also quite hard to loop slow spinny loops from half long returns or over the table. These are my initial feelings about this rubber. I only tested this rubber briefly because I had to concentrate actual training for upcoming tournament. Testing continues:).
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What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style
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Dream1700
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$34 at TT11 this week (S, M and H)
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Jackcerry
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it’s 37€ not 34$
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Dream1700
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I see €31.19
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piligrim
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your price include VAT, People outside of Europe don't pay VAT |
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Mickael
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Tried the DNA pro H today, here are my thoughts:
1- best stiga rubber ever. 2- now I understand what yogi and Dan are saying about "tons of control". It holds the ball long on the blade like tenergy. So it is good for slow loops , fast loops and counter spin. 3- 1 of the best ESn rubbers ever produced. 4- it has the bounce of dignics (it is fast) Like Dan said spin like tenergy 80 or 25 speed like dignics variations. 5- the perfect rubber at 38 usd compared to butterfly? Nooooo ! It is super heavy like 51 grams compared to dignics 47 grams cut and glued to 157x150 blade. Unfortunately. Edited by Mickael - 12/01/2019 at 9:12am |
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Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
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Dream1700
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if ESN manages to lower the weight of its best rubbers (without changes the current performance) we will be rewarded with higher price rubbers: +$10 for every 1 g. shaved off.
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Mickael
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Yes indeed they have better characteristics but a lot heavier. |
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Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
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yogi_bear
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Esn rubbers are getting heavier. Xiom omega Hyper is at 80 grams uncut.
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nathanso
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Brand: Stiga
Rubber ID/Model: DNA Pro S Thickness (max or in mm): 1.9mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 65 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 The easiest rubber to generate spin with that I've ever used. Basic topspin balls leap forward off the table causing the receiver to really need to pay attention. Radical downward hook on topspin drives. So much spin that loops that overshoot the end line still have enough spin to leap forward off the floor. Amazing rubber. |
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Doesn't ESN usually go heavier after making a less effective lighter generation? I ask because I really like the original Rasant (a heavy ESN generation) for very good spin (either from topsheet, sponge or both) and it was almost "do everything" capable... But I do not like the Rasanter as much (lighter generation that came after, thinner topsheet and maybe less dense sponge at same hardness). When I look back at the Acuda S3 generation (heavy, very spinny) and then the subsequent generation Acuda P3 (lighter, less spinny) I notice a similar trend from the past.
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trumpet_guy
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Did you not find that Rasanter has excellent spin performance?
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jackass22
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Nathanso, michael: What blade did you use with pro s ?
Also the weight of the blade. Thanks.
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GeneralSpecific
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While you're correct about your observations of different rubber generations, Omega VII Hyper at 55 degrees is exceptionally hard, dense, and fast. It's important to remember that Omega VII Pro and VII Euro, technically of the same generation, are very light relative to their hardness of 47.5 and 42.5 degrees respectively. Those 2 rubbers aren't lacking in spin. Granted, they aren't going to have the same top end power of all of these rubbers at 52+ degrees but they are good and successful rubbers still.
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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h0n1g
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I very much agree with this. I've tried the DNA H now on two blades, Calderano SAL and Freitas ALC and found it pretty unimpressive. Yes, it has a lot of control, yes it is fast but I personally don't agree with the sentiment that its the best rubber in the current ESN range. Perhaps if you have a more chinese technique, I don't know, but for me with European fundamentals it was more of a miss than a hit. |
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piligrim
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Is anybody using DNA S? What is cut weight please?
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nathanso
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Forget cut weight; blades come in all different sizes. Here's the uncut weight of 1.9 black: Brand: Stiga Rubber ID/Model: DNA Pro S Thickness (max or in mm): 1.9mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 65 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 |
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piligrim
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Most popular blades around same standard Butterfly size 157x150mm
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