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cole_ely
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My understanding was that the Chinese like the 7ply euro blades, not the 5ply ones. Clipper type blades.
No doubt that Wang hao's stroke is more effecient. Cant argue that one.
But I don't think we can really judge what 99% of the world uses by what the 1% of the players who are professional use. Pros use all kinds of things. Samsonov uses a slower wood blade right? Chila, gatien. I'm talking about loopers. My point is what works best for common players in the two styles. If you went to the club in china and saw the guys there vs a club in europe. Still good players, but not pros. Wasn't the typical chinese blade a hard maple blade?
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Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b
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Valentine
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Samsonov uses a Mazunov, which isn't a slow blade. Gatien, well that was almost 20 years ago, 38mm ball, lots of speed glue. Today 90% of Eurpoean loopers like Boll, Ovtcharov, Maze, and even Waldner all use carbon blades.
At club level I see most people use much faster blades than they should. I've seen 11 year olds with Schlager Carbon, and old guys who barely move their legs with 10mm balsa blades, Tube Alu, etc. Good players usually have stuff like Korbel, Persson Powerplay, Samsonov Premium, and some TBS, PC, Clipper etc... TommyZai is training in China, we can ask him but if i remember correctly he said most shakehanders there use Stigas, like OC and Tube Off, and yes Clipper is also very popular, it's a 7ply but it's not that hard. The "hard chinese blade" was from the times of pips out penholders like He Zhiwen. |
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snapa
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I second this suggestion. Wraith is a great rubber. |
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cole_ely
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Ok, so maybe my information is outdated.
So lets say a player contacts you who is maybe 14-1800 and he asks you what to use if he wants to play a mid distance looping game. What are you going to tell him.
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Valentine
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Ah, that's another question. As always i have difficulties knowing exactly what those ratings mean. Obviously for a beginner-intermediate player i never reccomend a very fast blade. But for long distace playing i think you need at least a moderately stiff blade with enough weight to hit the ball with power. Something like Korbel or Persson Powerplay would be good enough.
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cole_ely
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I can go korbel speed no doubt. Esp with the speed glue ban.
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I want to add my theory on all the last few posts.
From long distance I don't think blade speed and anything to do with anything because you can still make the same distance with any blade. However blade throw does (alot) the further back you go and if you still want to hit the ball on a near ideal contact point with a near ideal stroke then you need a higher throw blade, which is often the "slower" blade. The more powerfull rubbers tend to be a lower throw rubber also, it's just the nature of the beast when you design a rubber to be able to withstand a high impact speed. So you more or less allways have to pair those with a high throw blade if you are to have any hope of attack from long range, hence the whole Chinese energy wood/ oc and H2/3 theory on life. The Chinese loop has a MUCH better body rotation than the European style (which imho is totally flawed by design) so the Europeans need a faster blade to give them forward motion while looping, I think they also need a more heavy blade contact for the same reason, which is why they succeed with soft sponges and carbons. Alot of Euro loopers have next to no body rotation at impact. They still teach this style in Australia and we will never have a very high ranked jnr player so long as they stay stuck in the 70s like that. This is how I feel about it as of today :) |
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