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the_edge
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Hi All, I need a little help choosing a new blade and rubbers. At the outset I want to say that I'm not very knowledgeable on equipment and have not given equipment too much importance so far, but now I think it's high time I upgraded. Some info: Current setup: Stiga Allround Classic, Sriver G2 - FH and Yasaka Mark V M2 - BH. Rubbers are old and badly need changing.
Style of play: I have reasonably good form; stronger on the FH (mostly loop/drive), BH is more defensive (push, block, flick and occasional loops).
I'm looking to loop more (and better) and generally play a more offensive game, esp BH. The lighter the blade the better; fast with good control. I haven't speed glued so far, but may use any of the new alternatives like SOO or CTE at some point.
Been researching online on forums, etc and kind of narrowed down the blade choices to (not in any order):
KLHS ... Xiom Strad ... TBS ... Schlager Light ... M Maze
And for rubbers - Bryce, Sriver EL, G2 FX, Yasaka V-Stage
My budget is around $150 and slightly flexible.
Sorry for the long post, but wanted to be descriptive enough.
Thanks in advance.
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riker71
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You should be able to get something good for way less than $150
A Faster lighter blade and 1.9mm-2mm rubbers might be in order. If you are happy with the Stiga blade you could just get the offensive version eg Off Classic or Tube Light, both light and faster. For a cheap OFF+blade but good control (and light) consider the Butterfly VSG21-1000. Also has a slightly more compact head. Its a hard blade so Goes well with soft rubbers. Rubbers you are using are already pretty fast, Sriver G2FX is softer than G2 with more spin and control, very nice rubber for FH or BH with the right blade. Coppa Tagora (very light) Sriver EL or G2FX for Bh (or what you are using now on a faster blade) Whatever you decide Id check reviews of the rubbers and blades you are choosing at http://www.tabletennis.gr/equipment/default.asp Dawei/Milky way/galaxy blades are very nice and comparable to the Butterfly blades you mention, but half the price. W6 is a good looping blade and the T2 is faster but good balance. Below is a list I was given by someone who knows a lot about equipment for comparison of the Milkyway Blades with the "branded" ones (its said they make blades for the big companies too)
MC-4 8 10 T-1 10 T-2 9.5 8 80 3+2 6.4 Butterfly Primorac Carbon T-4 10.5 7 85 5+4 6.0 Fastest Blade U-4 7 9 85 5 6.0 Stiga Offensive Classic CR W-6 8 10 85 5 5.7 Yasaka Gatien Extra |
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Xiom Strad, Maze and TBS are Carbon Arylate blades and are rather different from pure Carbons like Schlager Light.
After I tried around 10 blades, as you can see from my signature, I settled down on two, both are great in my opinion. You can get T-4 as light as 80-82 g, my Strad is around 88 g. If you can get light T-4 from eacheng.net (email them directly and ask them what is the lightest one they got; if you are going for TBS which is usually 88-89 g, then perhaps you don't mind them to be 85-87; just in case ask Coly Ely - colestt.com - if he still has any T-4 s left). T-4 has four carbon layers two of which are soft - it has amazingly good control for such a inexpensive and carbon blade (read some reviews on it here). Cost to you: $35 (!!!). If you decide to go with XS, it goes really well with fast but controlling rubbers like my H3-Ps - granted they are a bit heavier than medium but XS has very very good balance and that really helps. However, cost to you: $100 (from Affordable TT in Australia, they have good prices and very reliable and knowledgeable people). My advice: try T-4 first, give rubbers some time to settle down on it, get used to the new feeling, then see if you want something else. Are you in North America, by the way? |
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You can find the larger table in one of the threads here - it's called "Galaxy Blades Table". Some of the numbers there are not extremely reliable. I wouldn't call my T-4 the fastest blade out of all Galaxy blades, and its control is way better than 7. By the way, K-4 and K-6 are the way to go if you want an inexpensive version of TBS or Maze - check out prices at the same eacheng.net or ask Cole. |
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Thanks for the replies. Yes, I am in North America.
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Good, then I definitely advise you to contact Cole and ask him if he still has any of K-4 or T-4, and what the weights are. Then you can have two blades for the price of three quarters of Stradivarius. |
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Keep your Stiga blade,buy a new Hurricane 3 provincial for FH, and long pip on your BH.
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What would you prefer, composite or a wood blade?
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i have a donic waldner hinoki three ply blade very offensive with sriver and mark 5 m2 max
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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Petr Korbel and stiga clipper are classics, you cant go wrong there, as for rubbers it depends on many factors, you may want to try short pips, tacky rubbers, grippy rubbers, soft, hard sponges
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@bull_harrier: I've mostly played with wooden blades so far, tried a friend's Schlager Light and Juic Air C-8 for a short while, and now don't mind switching to a composite blade. I don't intend to experiment with equipment too much; want to get at least the blade selection right the first time.
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Well if you want to spend some money i'd go with a Maze or a TBS, but if you want to be cost eficient then go with the Galaxy blades that were reccomended. Do you like high or low throw angle blades? Do your shots go really low or have high arc on them? If you like lower shots then the Maze would be the choice, if you like a higher arc then the TBS
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Don't buy LP's if you occasionally like to loop LP's aren't the way to go
who suggested LP's?
Get some Magna for forehand and may be Sriver L 1.7mm
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Couldn't agree with you more asr, putting pips on is a horrible idea if you do some looping with either side. Just get a good rubber and learn the stroke better, don't put pips on to compensate for a lack of anything, just develope the stroke more and use it. Sorry for the rant but i've seen that happen and it drives me nuts. Sriver L or Bryce FX on the BH would work well.
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Is it true that Bryce FX is only effective when speed glued. I don't intend to speed glue, so would you still recommend that? Is Sriver G2 FX better unglued? I wonder why V-Stage doesn't have too many good reviews around. Could be because it's expensive. I'm a little partial to BTY and Yasaka as I've been playing with them most of the time. |
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it sucks when its not glued, you might want to go with speed glue effect rubbers lie inspirit quattro or something
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I disagree, i think Bryce FX works well unglued. It's not as spinny of course when it's unglued but it can still generate a good amount of power mixed with spin.
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I'm playing with it unglued right now and hate it, period. Its my opinion
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Exactly that's your opinion, I've had good experience with it and I've got nothing to complain about. Sorry to hear it's not working out well with ya, how long have you been using it and are you using it on your FH or BH?
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I USED it on fh and reglued my H2 and still have it on bh for the moment while i await new rubbers. I've been using it for 1 month and a half, I'm used to low arcs so it may just be too big of a change
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Bryce FX does have a low throw angle, do you think it has a high throw angle? If so you'd be the first person i've talked to that's said that
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exactly,
LP's limit your game, yes they can be effective but they will limit how good you can get
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how about the andro carbo-aramid blade i with two sheets of neos sound,neos sound synergy,or two sheets of almana sound synergy the head is compact it is a light blade and with any of these two rubbers mentioned above the cost is around $127 at www.ping-pong.com
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If you like the feel of Sriver G2, you could try it on the new Schlager Inspire blade, that's a good combo
As a 5 ply wooden blade user, a Petr Korbel, Stiga Offensive classic or Tibhar Samsonov Alpha would be another option too. Good with a wide range of rubbers and the extra speed you are looking for to play a more offensive game. I've used the Korbel with Max Sriver EL and 2mm 35% Quattro with good results. The Timo Boll Spirit and Michael Maze are both really good blades, however; they are expensive. They team up well with the Sriver rubbers and Bryce FX, but I wouldn't recommend Bryce unglued; unless you are very good technically. If you want to try an Arylate Carbon, but don't want to pay Butterfly prices, then I would recommend the Galaxy K4, which works well with rubbers with a medium/high throw like Sriver EL and Mark V. I've not tried the Galaxy K6, but if it plays half as well as the K4, it's another blade worth considering. Regarding the T2 and T4, a friend has mentioned that the T4 teams up well with Quattro; and is a combination that has been adopted by some UK players; who were former Schlager Carbon/Bryce users. |
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Hey peterC, maybe you could share some of your experiences regarding the k4 with us. I was searching the forum for a review and could not find a really good one. Thanks.
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I have a Michael Maze FL will sell for $65.00. I also have red and black focus 1 2.2. I think it would be very good as far a speed and control especially if you glued it.
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