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heavyforehand
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I was using an Appelgren Allplay and I bought a Yasaka Ma Lin Extra offensive wood model. Truly expected to struggle with this, and I have slightly - but just with pushing, which is pretty normal for me when I try something new.
The crazy part is that my loops and other shots are all easier to execute. The ball is easier to control and I feel more confident attacking balls that I would have hesitated on before. Just curious what the explanation is, as the Ma Lin is a faster paddle and considered more advanced. The rubber is the same. I pulled it off my Donic and glued it on - Rhyzm max on both sides. Anyway, fantastic blade!
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Did you use your new setup in match situation playing against opponents you have never played before? That would be the best test for a new paddle.
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NextLevel
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+1. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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heavyforehand
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Unfortunately I have not played a new opponent yet. But I have played an opponent who I usually split with, made less looping errors and won.
Ill see how I do against the 1900 player in a few. If someone new can play, ill definitely test that theory out as well.
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NextLevel
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What usually happens is that faster blades are okay against familiar opponents because you know where the ball is going and the quality of the ball so you can play faster shots once you are tuned to the blade.
The real issue is whether you can feel the blade on blocks and counteroffensive shots and whether you can still swing at the ball when people swing at you. That said, with the new ball, the YEO is not that fast anyway. But from the Allplay, it is a step upwards. I just didn't like the blade but someone I sold it to did. Your set up should make you feel confident swinging at the ball when people loop or smash at you. Not necessarily a big swing, but definitely a swing. If not, it is too fast, or your technique can't support it, which amounts to the same thing.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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heavyforehand
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Yes, I am about to face huge smashes and loops. Will update after that. Good points.
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heavyforehand
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Ok, I'm back.
I got to play another player Ive never played before and beat him 3 games to 0. He used a lot of sidespin, but my heavy backspin serve gave him issues and i looped anything sent over. Was not too tricky and I controlled the play with my serve and forehand. I then played with the 1900. We warmed up with loops for 5 minutes and he stopped and asked if I got a new paddle. This sounds made up, but he really did it. I told him yes and asked why. He said I hit with a lot more speed and spin than before. So I can't describe it but I just play better with this blade. I believe it is because I use less effort to generate pace and spin. One of my mistakes on a loop is winding up and trying to smash the ball, which of course tightens you up and cause mistakes. This helps me avoid that. Did I beat the 1900? No. he is real good, better than me right now. But I played well and was able to hit more loops than normal for winners. It is not easy to hit loops on him because he is smart, and knows if he hits to my FH side, ill loop across the table since the margin for error is lower. He is fast and can block some of my loops back well enough that I can't attack them sometimes. It's really fun and challenging for me.
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IanMcg
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A common story. Use this setup for a month or two, and then see how you're faring. It might not feel so good by then.
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Argothman
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I disagree with some of the above posters. This is a good move, especially since you're 1900, not a beginner. The blade gives you some more power so you can focus more on spin - this results in a faster, but yet more consistent game.
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NextLevel
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No, he's not 1900. It can be a good move. But your rationale is completely wrong.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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vanjr
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There is something to using a set up that allows a more compact stroke, rather than making you exert great effort to make a shot. Of course it is best to make a quality shot due to good technique. But some times your equipment is important. Example- using short pips whIle trying to spin the ball from off the table.
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heavyforehand
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It makes sense to me. More power is a good thing for me since I play very consistent when I stay low and compact.
I put on the recommended gaffing edge tape and hope to take care of this blade well enough to where it stays free from any bad dings or breaks. A month or two from now I expect to be much better with it from now. This is just the initial learning stage. I'd say I'm an intermediate player now. I don't lose to advanced beginners ever. Not good enough to beat anyone over 1800 yet, but I play a lot, so i will keep improving. |
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haggisv
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Sounds like your confidence and enjoyment has risen quite a bit, which in it itself can make you play much better. Only time will tell if it's the blade or not.
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NextLevel
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Yes, there is. The problem is how to increase the dwell time of such equipment when desired. Once you can do that, you can do whatever you want. He is an improving player and will improve regardless. Whether the blade is helping or hurting him is what he will have to figure out later.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Victor_the_cleaner
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Good, i see more and more people breaking the chains of that old garbage with the sriver rubber and slow blade.
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heavyforehand
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I think it will help my game but I do agree that it will take a little time to know for sure. Whenever we get new gear it is usually impressive at first. That being said, I am a month into Rhyzm max on both sides and totally love it, so thats good. The faster setup for whatever reason has been an easy transition, but as Haggisv said, I am sure confidence plays a part as well.
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CraneStyle
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Touch and finesse can usually be developed with a good loose grip...
If you can feel where the ball hits the face of your bat... |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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cole_ely
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Fast rackets feel great when you're on the offense. When your opponent is attacking first, they're a liability. Until you play someone who attacks first and with a heavier ball than you're used to, you won't know exactly what to expect from your new racket.
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CraneStyle
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Solution is to train with good players or a robot that deliver a "heavy ball"... Knowing and understanding the full range of your setup is a voyage of discovery ... |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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cole_ely
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Which takes us back to, "if you have coaching do what your coach wants."
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NextLevel
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+1. I think this is where I think many coaches out of ignorance or indifference do their students a disservice. If I am coaching you, I really should have an opinion on what you should best learn with.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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CraneStyle
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Not always...
Sometimes coaches funnel players into a setup that they recognise, rather than a setup the player feels good using... |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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cole_ely
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Or what they make the most profit from selling you
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Which is not a bad thing as long as they share responsibility for a player's results and keep an eye on the effect.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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geardaddy
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My general rule of thumb on choosing the right equipment is "use the fastest thing that you can control". It's always a balance between speed and control, i.e. hitting "winners" vs. making "unforced errors". You have to find what works for you.
I don't really buy into the philosophy that says just using fast equipment will cause you to develop the right technique. If anything this approach can constrain the development of your technique, as you become afraid to commit to your strokes because at the same time you're naturally trying to not make mistakes. Now it's a different thing in adjusting to how new/different equipment behaves. It's alright to experiment and test using different stuff (for instance, faster stuff). But, you should allow for a period of time to account for that adjustment to see whether you adapt properly. If the adaption is not happening, then it's probably not right for you, and you would need to make more significant change to your strokes in order to properly adapt. If your long term goal is to change/improve your technique, then stick with the new equipment for a longer time as you also work to change your technique. But the equipment isn't going to change your technique by itself!
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heavyforehand
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Well this is interesting. My push shot (the bane of my existence) has gotten much better. I just won a match by hitting real fine, short pushes off my backhand instead of long, no spin crap that gets looped back at me usually by the same guy.
My touch has gotten better. Maybe because I don't have to do much to get the ball back. It gives me confidence to hit a light touch and not worry about netting the shot. I think what gear daddy said about using the fastest thing I can control is paying off. Stuff I need to work on - backhand looping and flicking.
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cole_ely
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I've always maintained that harder and faster, or probably more accurately stiffer blades push better than slow ones. Or at least push flatter.
Soft, flexible blades require a lighter touch but you can keep the push shorter. Pushing with a carbon blade has more of the "dart" feel.
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heavyforehand
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I agree with this so far. I haven't gone the carbon route but maybe down the road I will try one out at the local club. I really like the feel of wood.
Let a beginner borrow my paddle for a few hits and he could not keep the ball on the table at all. So I feel like I have a pretty fast setup, but I can control it well. This is a nice feeling since I was playing like garbage 2 months ago.
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Do realize that the problems with statements like this is that they require us to grant you a very high level of awareness that is usually reserved for far more advanced players That said, if you play a USATT league or tournament, share your results. That would help ground us in relatively sound objectivity.
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doraemon
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I always play better when I use slower equipment. But the reverse is not true. You feel invincible until a much better player school you. As a matter of fact, I recently use fast 7ply blake and I thought I can destroy anybody. But a really good player noticed me changing blade, and after awhile he advised me to use my old setup.
Whether you use faster or slower blade, as long as it is a new blade, there is always an euphoria. Give it time before you make up your mind. Edited by doraemon - 10/01/2015 at 1:48am |
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