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Switched to H3 Neo and loving it |
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dauntless
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I sold all my Tenergy 05 and bought H3 Neo commercial and I love it. More control, and easier to use, less expensive, more predictable in actual game play. Yes I miss the crazy easy awkward block that works with T05 and the amazing power -- but I don't miss the lack of touch in short game. With H3 Neo I love the ease of quick looping off the bounce, the ease of looping underspin, and the overall predictability of the rubber-- especially in the short game. Plus I like the garbage in garbage out tendency of the rubber -- meaning if I do a proper stroke I am rewarded whereas with T05 a lot of times I would make shots with a weak return (or stroke) and get points because the rubber is so forgiving and strong. If I was a better player, maybe I would have kept T05, but after two years of playing with T05 -- making the initial transition to a Chinese rubber on FH was easier than I thought. Not sure if this helps anyone, but thought I would share my experience.
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beeray1
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Thanks for sharing. That's a lot of why i use it too. It lets you know if you are hitting the ball wrong. I like that. Very predictable and stable, good touch. The power is there when you really dig into it. There's nothing wrong with it.
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barq9033
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I really doubt it. If you want to improve and if you tame the H3, It will be really hard to go to another rubber. What you need is time but according to his post he just needed to give a try to see what he was missing. |
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dauntless
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You know, I think I will most likely NOT miss Tenergy 05. Before switching, I went to the club with two identical blades. I put H3 Neo on one FH and put T05 on the other. I hit with the robot and against other players for four hours. This was after playing with H3 for almost a month solid, finding it to be superior in many ways for what I need to do at my level. So at the end of that four hour session (actually some time in the middle) I put down the blade with T05 and didn't pick it up again. Next I sold two sheets of T05 at a discount. If I thought for a second of going back I would have just stored those sheets. For many folks T05 was the answer. I absolutely loved it for two years. I never expected to like H3 Neo, it was just a whim that I even ordered it. I fully expected to hate it. Ended up loving it.
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silva7
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funny i had that same thought about H3 Neo when i first used it, switching from T64.
i have since reverted to T64. H3 requires too much effort to loop with. maybe the provincial one would be better in terms of bounciness.
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pnachtwey
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True, but how many people actually get into looping exchanges 1 to 2 meters back from the table and even if they do what percentage of the time are they back there as opposed to just trying to survive the first 4 strokes? |
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peter79
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Once you're get use to H3 on forehand you'll stick to it for the rest of your life....
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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
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frogger
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Great rubber...price to performance is stellar. I prefer softer sponge rubbers. Like beeray1 said " It let's you know if you are hitting the ball wrong". It doesn't have that crazy kick like some tensors have..predictable rubber.
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GoldenDragoon
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Boost it and that will not be the case. |
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DeIgado
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I just recently switched from boosted tg3 back to tenergy and I did this because (1) I was having a hard time finding a replacement for my old tg3 (2) I have a bad habit of looping short, hopefully a rubber switch fixes that although I think I may need to readjust my game. (3) If you are not in position, your shot will not be as deadly (4) I found it more difficult to slow my loops down while maintaining spin, I have a bad habit of driving everything with tg3, hopefully going back to t05 helps with that.
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stefashka
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I've been trying Euro/Japanese rubbers on FH for about half a year, but finally stopped because I come to conclusion that those rubbers they are only nice for BH or become useful when you lack power and/or technique. The Chinese type of rubber allows to play short game better, to have more spinny and shorter serves, to receive services with more control, to have really spinny opening loops, to play better counterloops. The Chinese rubbers are more demanding both technically and physically, but it is more rewarding too. It's just my opinion on an amateur player, but it looks like that many players in China share it
The only thing that worries me is that the "true Chinese" rubbers like Hurricanes,Skylines,999 must be tuned for better results and QC may be still can be improved (I personally never had a problem, but I hear other people complaining). But I hope that ESN will continue to improve it's Chinese-like rubbers like Thor's and Vega China and DHS will eventually come out with a harder sponge similar to the one used for Tin Arc series that don't need to be tuned right out of the package...
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zheyi
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For chinese rubbers i mainly do a reglue with voc glue once a month and its soft enough to hit with.. not particular for sg effect. But seems that frequently reglue caused rubber to "get ugly" easily. anyone else too?
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Skyline
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yeah definitely. I did the same thing this summer, I switched to H3 NEO for 1,5 month this summer. At first I thought it was great and that I played just aswell with as with my regular Xiom Omega IV Asia. Looping was great (very nice kick on sidespin loops), serving and shortgame were great, flat hitting and blocking were not half as bad as everybody is stating on this forum. For a couple of weeks I was truly convinced that I could use this rubber succesfully in competition. I could beat the same players with H3 NEO as with my old rubber. But here it comes, when I tried another blade with my regular Omega IV Asia, I noticed that playing was much easier, especially much less sensitive to incoming spin on passive shots and serve recieve. It also became clear that with h3 flat hitting against slow and dead balls is nearly impossible and that the timing of your shots must be a lot better to hit good shots with h3. Now I've been using my regular rubber Xiom Omega IV Asia again for over a month and I notice that it's the perfect rubber for my game. I do have a teammate which used to use Vari Spin Dtecs and made the switch to H3 neo. And after 3 years he stills swears by it but hey his strokes are very large and powerfull. For most euro/jap players chinese rubbers just don't work no matter how bad you want them to.
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JRSDallas
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H3 has always been bad at flat hitting. If you want the benefits of Hurricane with the freedom to counter drive or flat hit in addition to looping, then use H2. On the other hand, H2 does have a lower throw and makes looping from mid-distance harder than with H3.
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Speedplay
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Glad to read about your transition to H3 neo, as I'm thinking about making this sqitch myself. I played with T05 for ~2 years and loved every second of it. Well, I hated it the first hour or so, but then it was pure love. Decided to change due to the price and ended up with LKT Red Diamond. A great rubber, but no T05. Now, they have changed the rubber to KTL Red Diamond and it's not tacky and comes with a different sponge, from what I have heard. Besides, durability became an issue. So, I got myself a sheet of Calibra LT, since I get these at discount. Great rubber, but I hate it, as it's pretty much the opposite of T05, very low throw, hard to make opening spinny loops and more about speed then spin. I've been thinking about H3 Neo and this gives me more motivation to make the switch.
What I don't understand is, if T05 helps you win points even on bad shots, why make the change? If I could find a rubber that helped me win points even when i play bad, then I would certainly use that rubber. In my opinion, T05 is the opposite, it truly rewards good strokes, but punishes bad efforts. |
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assiduous
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tried it and gave it away.
coming off Tenergy to this if feels like hitting with a piece of doormat glued to my blade.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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NextLevel
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Tenzone, Bluefire, Rhyzm - IMO, T05's days are numbered unless there is something that boosting does for it that it doesn't do for any other rubber. The only problem is that too many pros use it, but if a good player who doesn't use T05 gets good in Europe with one of the newer tensors, that will be the end of the T05 dominance. Technique transfer/rebuilding is a hard thing with different equipment.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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NextLevel
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Mickael
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I tried h3 neo for 6 months after playing tenergy and trying all available tensors, the first week I won every opponent at my club, the side spin, the kick of the table, service and receive were great. After this wonderful week every player got me figured out, they just gave me dead balls and begged me to loop and they blocked everything! I couldn't find a way to finish the ball. First I got those magnificent third ball attacks and then everything just vanished when they started to return my serves low and kept me away off the table. It was a headache to play and win points. I got back to tenergy than to German tensors like acuda s1 turbo. But the good thing that it did to me that it thaught me how to loop with devastating power that only I can benefit from playing back with tenergy or German tensors.
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Skyline
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well the problem wasn't exactly the disability to flat hit but more extreme senstiveness to incoming spin and the ease of use!
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zettalith
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I used to switch between regular H3prov and T05 every few months... Now ive been on neo prov and cant go back to T05 because loops lack that drop h3 neo give me and goes long.
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dauntless
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I just enjoy playing with it first of all. T05 was (is) great but there is a linear feel to H3 that just works for me at this stage of my game. I am not against T05, but I found myself being lazy and H3N just rewards the effort, and I find myself taking more aggressive strokes that end up owning the point. Plus the short game is much more controlled and I can setup 3rd and 5th balls easier. I was playing great with T05 but I also found that I was looking to loop from farther away than I have to with H3N... not sure if that makes sense to other people. It's not that H3N is so much lower in throw, it just so much more controlled that I KNOW what is going to happen when I stroke the ball, with Tenergy I was getting some surprises. I could go on and on, but I know its just working for me and it is enjoyable to play with, harder physically but I feel like I am playing with better technique and setting up balls properly. -edit- Only criticism I have so far is blocking/smashing on the FH is not so great, I will miss that, but for smashing I can twiddle to red and for blocking on the FH well, I just have to loop more
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icontek
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On traditional 5 ply wood blades - Tin Arc > unboosted H3 / any sponge / any version.
On that ZLCarbon monster you have, unboosted H3's speed issue is likely resolved. Enjoy!
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peter79
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On Clipper CR, H3 National #20 sponge with 6 layers of rubber cement is powerful enough already, good for spin or smash. Much better than using tuner, same speed all the time, slower but sure....
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dauntless
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icontek: the IF ZLC is not nearly as fast as you would think, it is roughly equivalent to a seven ply all wood IMHO, but it has a different feeling of course, but very woody considering its construction. It is basically the same blade Zhang Yi Ning played with, so you can imagine it isn't such a monster. With H3N my setup has a huge smacking sound when I hit hard...very satisfying. I will most likely boost the H3 commercial to see if it helps/hurts (not at a tournament though, not my style) and I will toy around with T64 backhand, but I am pretty much OK with roundell on BH. Never tried tin arc
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I am trying it today with WBG today on my back up Maze , composite blade . anybody else tried H3Neo on ALC type blades ?
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mikepong
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i also feel the same with T05, it punishes half hearted strokes but in saying that its also the same case with H3, most of the club members i know say T05 is forgiving, but maybe im just a low level player as i find T05 unforgiving on bad efforts, well as compared to addidas p5 or vega asia which are both forgiving rubbers IMHO having said that i have come to conclusion that h3 and T05 are excellent FH rubbers
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