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T h e N A M
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Works very well. It's all I use now. It attachs the rubber to blade a bit stronger than regular rubber cement.
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729cent
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I use it too, work very well, I think it's similar to free chack, drying quicker. Highly recommended.
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Glueless
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I have also begun using it this week and have glued four or five rubbers up with it both sponge and no sponge rubber's. It works fabulously and it is MUCH cheaper than table tennis glue.
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DeathAngel
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is it voc free?
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Yes, 100% voc free. It's been tested again and again on actual Enez devices in the U.S. and passed every test.
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DeathAngel
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Im going to be buying some in a couple of days and will tell you guys what i think.
Has anyone tried peeling the glue off of a Tenergy Sponge? How was it? |
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One thing that Jay has changed in using Tear Mender is that, rather than applying Tear Mender to both the sponge and the blade, just try applying on the blade only. I have tried this with the last couple of rubbers that I have applied, and it works just as well with less mess and less glue used.
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BHDoom
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in that video is that tear mender build up that he is removing or just old voc-speed glue build up? if it is tear mender build up than that stuff looks legit, i might move on to that, i bought some yes paste and didnt like the stuff
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turned up the sound, guess it is tear mender in the beginning
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Glueless
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Yes, that is Tear Mender that he is removing at the beginning of the video. It comes off in one layer of dried latex. |
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benfb
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In the video, it looked like he was applying a pretty heavy coat of glue. When I've used TT water-glue, I only applied a very thin layer because a thick layer caused lumping the the rubber (which also appears in the video). I wonder if Jay switched to only putting glue on the wood because he was putting on too much.
Also, he doesn't seem to let it completely dry, then I suppose it gets absorbed into the spong when the are in contact.
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while there are many good things about tearmender the problem is with very fast drying. when you start covering the surfce evenly? portions have already dried, and comes out making the surface unsmooth. needs special care to avoid this. |
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Rich215
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I really want to get some of this stuff. It looks way to easy to use. That guy in the vid is sloppy in the application process. He protects his blade with masking tape...but fails to put down some wax paper to work on. I found that funny, even though it will come off smooth surfaces easy.
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Glueless
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The only way that you get lumping or un-evenness in the glue job when using Tear Mender is if you wait for the glue to partially dry. If you put your rubber on immediately after applying the glue (whether to just the blade or the blade and the sponge) and roller it lightly immediately it will come out perfectly every time with no lumps or unevenness. The reason that his glue job comes off slightly lumpy in the video is because he let the glue dry partially such that they were clear spots and spots that were still wet and white in color. |
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Glueless
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I live in a very dry part of the world (10,000 feet altitude) and have no trouble getting the glue applied to the blade and then getting the rubber on the blade well before any drying has started. I don't see how this should be a problem for anyone. |
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This brings up another question: if you can put together paddle and rubber still wet with Tearmender, can you do the same with the "brand" water-glues, such as DHS, Joola, etc? Along the same line, I wonder if you could apply those "brand" water-glues to only the wood similar to what has been proposed for Tearmender?
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I've used Andro "free" products... and regarding being able to glue them while wet or dry, I think they say to wait around 10-15 minutes and then roll and press a bit.
I have glue prior to the 10 minute mark and past the 15 min mark and I can say that on several occasions my glue jobs were a little less than perfect (not adhering well) on the ones where I waited a bit too long. This Tearmender stuff looks like the answer for me. I like the adhesive stretchy quality I saw in the video, and I am going to try it maybe this weekend when I go to Honolulu -- they have a Walgreens! |
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Glueless
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For completeness, I thought I would post an instruction set that works for me when using Tear Mender to apply my rubber to my blades.
This is the largely result of compiling several posts worth of info from Jay on the about.com forum with regard to using TearMender (a regular latex/water-based glue found in hardware stores and much less expensive than regular table tennis glues) to glue your rubber to the blade. I have modified it for my own use based on what I have found in my own experience works very well. -------- This is what I've found seems to work the best. I shot a little video of myself gluing with Tear Mender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWVCZG5YyA0). The water based glues are thinner and you don't wan't to use a brush. You use a piece of foam instead. 1) If your regular glue seemed to adhere strongly to the blade, Tear Mender will probably adhere even more strongly. You may want to seal your blade before using Tear Mender! 2) You may want to mask off the edge of your blade and the outer edge of your bottom rubber with 2 inch masking tape before starting. Because you will be applying the sponge to the blade while Tear Mender is still wet, there will be some Tear Mender that will slop over the edges of your blade. The masking tape will make cleanup a breeze and prevent your racket from becoming a mess. 3) Apply a couple of tablespoons worth of glue to the blade and spread it around evenly. I do not apply glue to the sponge/rubber. I have found it is simpler, easier and creates less mess if glue is simply applied to the blade. I use foam weatherstripping as my applicator. I went to Wal-Mart and purchased a 10 foot roll of half-inch foam window/door weatherstripping for three dollars. I cut a 2 inch strip off of the roll, peel the backing off the adhesive that runs along one side of the weatherstripping (where you would apply it to the window or door frame), and fold it back on itself, making a sort of a U-shape where the sides of the U are stuck to each other. It leaves me with a flat rectangular foam surface/square approximately 1/2" wide by 1 inch long that makes a perfect glue applicator. I toss my applicator out after I have finished. 4) You want to apply the rubber to the blade immediately, while the glue is still wet. The water based glues don't tent to "level out" as well as the VOC stuff. So in order to get a nice flat surface to the rubber, you want it to still be fairly wet when you attach it to the blade. If you need the blade "right now" in order to play, then let the the glue dry so it is about half transparent. If you do that the racket should be playable right away, but the rubber surface may be lumpy and uneven. You have been warned. :-) 5) Place the rubber and lightly roller it on. If some glue squeezes out the edges, simply wipe it off with your finger or a paper towel. It will "rub clean" off of your fingers with no problem. If you have a Clicky Press, you can use that, too. 6) I tend to wait overnight until the glue is completely dry before trimming the rubber, but this is probably overkill. Depending on the climate and relative humidity, the glue will probably be dried well enough within an hour or two to cut the rubber safely without having it slide around on the blade face. Don't like the glue job? Tear it off and do it again. The glue comes off the sponge fairly easily. Remove the rubber as you normally would. To remove the glue from the sponge (it always releases from the sealed wood blade and stays with the sponge) just roll the edge of the glue with your thumb or finger until it starts to roll up on the sponge a bit. Once it rolls up enough, you can pull on it and separate the entire glue layer from the sponge. The trick seems to be to pull the glue directly away from the rubber. The stretching of the glue layer seems to help it separate from the sponge. It's like pulling a piece of balloon rubber off the sponge. Also, FWIW the glue seems to work fine for gluing pips out OX as well. I've glued DR. Evil with it and it seems to be holding up well. I did clean the backside of the OX rubber with rubbing alcohol first though. Again, I don't let the glue dry at all and put it on quite wet. I then roller out the excess glue. This is a bit messy, but it gives a nice smooth glue job and the mess is pretty easy to clean up. The nice thing about the water based glues is they don't cause the rubber sheet to distort/deform when you put the glue on them. [Here is a video showing the application of a no-sponge rubber with Tear Mender: http://www.youtube.com/v/3t7uYMexfnU] I noticed that if you apply only a very thin amount of Tear Mender, that it is harder to remove from the sponge since the thin layer of latex tears as you try to pull it off. I solved that on the one piece of rubber by simply putting on another layer of Tear Mender and pulling it off. The older thin bits got pulled off by the newer thick sheet. I'm not sure why that particular layer of glue was thinner. It may have been that I rolled it harder or put it in a Clicky Press afterwards. Frankly, I forget. But either way, it seems like very thin layers will be a bit harder to remove. BTW, while I have no direct experience with it, I'm betting that European players will find that a product called CopyDex is very much like Tear Mender. In fact, I tried really hard to get some CopyDex before I found TearMender. CopyDex is very popular in the U.K. but does not seem to be imported to the US. Some other notes: 1) Tear Mender is water based so you might be tempted to thin it at some point (I'm not sure why really. It is already quite runny.) If you do that, make sure you use distilled water. I've read that the calcium in tap water could cause the latext to coagulate. 2) Water based latex products will be ruined if exposed to very low (freezing) temperatures. I understand that freezing cold can cause the latex to coagulate. So folks living in colder climates need to make sure they store it appropriately. Warm temperatures aren't a problem. 3) Tear Mender is a latex product. I guess using it could be a problem if you have latex allergies. |
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IAmI
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Great guide Glueless, thanks!
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Glueless
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My pleasure!
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benfb
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Glueless' instructions for Tear Mender are great and I hope to try it out soon (just bought a bottle yesterday). However, it got me to thinking. Part of the instructions is to put the rubber on while the glue is still wet. I wonder how this would work with the regular TT water glues (e.g. DHS #19 or Bty FreeChalk). I know that with traditional VOC glues, it could take days to dry out. But those other water glues dry pretty quick. Has anybody tried gluing with water-glues while still wet?
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Glueless, have you tried TearMender on heavily domed rubbers? You think I can use TearMender to glue domed rubbers and put under the clamp? Is it possible that some of the wet glue from the edge may come off as it get pressured from the clamp?
Thanks Glueless, great instruction. |
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Hookshot
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Tear Mender does not stick well to sealed blades with a shiny finish.
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Every good blade has to be sealed. So I guess it's a question of how well sealed. I think I'll find out tomorrow when I make my first attempt with Tear Mender, because my blade is sealed.
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Glueless
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Sorry, I don't have any experience with gluing domed rubber with ANY kind of glue. |
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Tear Mender works very well on my sealed blade. The problem you have Hookshot is that you put FIVE coats of sealer such that your blade faces are mirrors. I would think all but the strongest adhesives would have problems on your blades. |
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Actually, this was on a blade sealed to a glass finish by Tommyzai with Verithane. I will have to try it with my Poly finish and see if it is the same. Rubber cement works well even on the glass finished. Even domed rubbers will stay put.
I will also try to rough the finish and see what happens. Have not been able to find YES Paste to try yet. Tommy says that works on his glass finish. |
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Slightly off topic, but... I don't know a lot of pros, but the few I've met (Chinese and European) always told me that you want minimal sealer on a blade, otherwise you completely change the playing characteristics. In fact, I read an interview with someone famous (can't recall who) that argued against using any sealer for just that reason. If someone puts on five coats of sealer, or uses a really stiff sealer like poly, then you've really changed your blade.
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