Tenergy 64 - The experts review

chris.b40 wrote: Can any one here tell me about the FX version of Tenergy ? has it been released and if so would you share your findings please.

bozbrisvegas wrote: ejmaster wrote: most people have more trouble with tenergy in fh than in bh.  disagree totally, if anything most people will have trouble being ready for spinny serves or any incoming spin weirdness. just as most people would put short pips on their backhand contrasted to their fh inverted they would also put the spinnier rubber on the fh and the others on the backhand.

+1 agreed.

petermoo wrote: Sorry to dissapoint, but to me this Tenergy 64 is a bunch of steaming crap. I think this rubber will best be enjoyed by beginners and intermediate players , maybe females, but I dont think many advanced male players will like it.

petermoo wrote: APW46 wrote: petermoo wrote: Sorry to dissapoint, but to me this Tenergy 64 is a bunch of steaming crap. I think this rubber will best be enjoyed by beginners and intermediate players , maybe females, but I dont think many advanced male players will like it.   15 months down the line, I bet you wish you never said that..... Actually no. It was wrong of me to say the rubber is crap (even if I really did think so, and I was disappointed because of my elevated expectations of T64) The fact that T64 is popular and selling well does not contradict what i said 15 months ago, it enhances it. Who do you think is actually buying all this rubber? I still think the high bounciness at low speeds and the lack of predictability (non linearity) at high speeds make this more of a beginner, intermediate, female ideal (no issues of bottoming out) rubber or at least a backhand close to the table rubber. 15 months later, I see a few of the butterfly pros use this rubber for their fishing nudging blocking games (Kenta? Miz?). Oh yeah and Ma Long uses it for his over the table BH loop but so what? I know its not politically correct to say something is suited for females or beginners but I'm not running for office, I'm just reviewing a rubber! My chinese coach used to say the same thing of the hammond i was using for years ('too easy! too easy!), he knew what he was talking about and as my forehand got better, I naturally gravitated towards the harder rubbers. Petermoo

>implying a rubber is bad because of copious amounts of non professional players are buying lots of it.
I would agree with half of what you say for forehand but tenergy64 is almost flawless when it comes to backhand. I don't know how far you like to stand from the table or what blade you like to use but if it's bottoming out, you're doing it wrong.

Ma Long uses it.  So does Kenta. (Also Jun Mitzutani, Oh Sang Eun, Seiya Kishikawa).  But it's only for women and beginners?  Did I actually read this?  (Goes back to re-read).  Why yes I did. To my utter stupefaction.    

All sales of all rubbers are by non professionals, but as far as high level players go, we have many in the UK of a comparable and greater standard than petermoo, and quite a few use T64 on their f/hands, oh yes, they are of the male variety too....

Edited by APW46 - 08/07/2010 at 5:10am

APW46 wrote: All sales of all rubbers are by non professionals, but as far as high level players go, we have many in the UK of a comparable and greater standard than petermoo, and quite a few use T64 on their f/hands, oh yes, they are of the male variety too....

I'm sure you are right.
But for my own information and so I can see the proper technique, just name one.
Petermoo

I think Baal has named enough to prove a point really.... and I can't for the life of me understand the 'non linear' comment, I've played with a lot of different kit over 30 yrs, mostly sp/glued, I play a controlled looping game, and I find T64 to be one of the most stable rubbers I've ever played with, further, T05 is more suited to close to the table play, 64 is a mid distance looping rubber.

Edited by APW46 - 08/07/2010 at 8:54am

T64's speed glue effect lasts more than T05's or any other rubber.
As for T64's non linearity, I think that it's performance is not so linear as T05  but more linear than all the other (ESN) rubbers that feel "plastic" to me.
T64 is the only rubber that performs like the superb speed glued Sriver EL.

Stavros wrote: T64's speed glue effect lasts more than T05's or any other rubber. As for T64's non linearity, I think that it's performance is not so linear as T05  but more linear than all the other (ESN) rubbers that feel "plastic" to me. T64 is the only rubber that performs like the superb speed glued Sriver EL.

Stavros, How can you even say this. Tenergy 64 is so similar to Roxon 450 its not funny. A statment that ESN rubbers feel plastic is so unfair and untrue.

To clarify your linear statement, if a rubber is linear, to me it sounds like the has a flat trajectory, whereas Tenergy 05, Hexer, Baracuda all have a very non linear trajectory, Rubbers like Roxon 450, Tenergy 64, Desto's, Platin's & Plasma, also have a Non Linear Trajectory but no where near as Arcy.

Its all about the Spin to Speed ratio, The Top players need to boost their tenergy 05 to get the right ratio.

If all other brands except BTY would cease to manufacture, then Tenergy 64 would be my preferance as the best rubber - of course without Boosters.

pingpongrob wrote: Stavros wrote: T64's speed glue effect lasts more than T05's or any other rubber. As for T64's non linearity, I think that it's performance is not so linear as T05  but more linear than all the other (ESN) rubbers that feel "plastic" to me. T64 is the only rubber that performs like the superb speed glued Sriver EL. Stavros, How can you even say this. Tenergy 64 is so similar to Roxon 450 its not funny. A statment that ESN rubbers feel plastic is so unfair and untrue. To clarify your linear statement, if a rubber is linear, to me it sounds like the has a flat trajectory, whereas Tenergy 05, Hexer, Baracuda all have a very non linear trajectory, Rubbers like Roxon 450, Tenergy 64, Desto's, Platin's & Plasma, also have a Non Linear Trajectory but no where near as Arcy. Its all about the Spin to Speed ratio, The Top players need to boost their tenergy 05 to get the right ratio. If all other brands except BTY would cease to manufacture, then Tenergy 64 would be my preferance as the best rubber - of course without Boosters.

When I say that ESN rubbers feel plasic, I mean that the topsheet is not elastic enough. With your two hands Try to pull a topsheet from the edges with your two hands . A german topsheet will crack after a little effort. This topsheet is like plastic. If you do the same thing having a Tenergy topsheet you will see that it is very elastic, doesn't crack easily. It expands its length many times without cracking.
As for the linear statement what I mean is.  When I try 5 Newton force power and the rubber's reaction is a speed let's say X, then if I try 10 Newton force power the rubber's reaction is a speed 2X.
Rob, i'm NOT saying that ESN rubbers are rubbish but unfortunately they are not as good as Tenergy 64, for me at least.
I wish a TT manufacturer makes a Tenergy like rubber that will cost lower than 57€ (current price of T64). I thing that only Stiga can make an equivalent rubber, maybe Calibra LT Sound?

Stavros beat me to the punch on this one, but I guess we at least agree on what linear is =)

As I've stated several times before, Tenergy might not be better then Tensors, but it is different, which is why it is so hard to find a cheaper replacement for it.

woke up a sleeping dragon :)

pingpongrob wrote: To clarify your linear statement, if a rubber is linear, to me it sounds like the has a flat trajectory, whereas Tenergy 05, Hexer, Baracuda all have a very non linear trajectory, Rubbers like Roxon 450, Tenergy 64, Desto's, Platin's & Plasma, also have a Non Linear Trajectory but no where near as Arcy.

petermoo wrote: And this is the list Stavros? Are you leaving off some of the big names on purpose? Wheres Ma Long? I really dont know the two spanish guys at all. Are there any powerdrive players who use T64?