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t_retsila 
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 Topic: Tenergy - Is it really expensive?Posted: 02/22/2011 at 12:57pm |
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Maybe this has been covered before, probably many times, but here goes.
I've read sooooooo many posts about people trying to find a replacement for tenergy, some saying there's nothing close to it, others saying there's loads of options. Anyway my points/questions are these:
1). Although the cost of a sheet of tenergy upfront feels steep, compared to the speed glue days, the amount I spend on rubbers per season is now less than I used to spend on rubbers & glue combined, especially as I reckon a sheet of tenergy lasts me about twice as long as my old ones.
2). How much is everyone spending in search of it's cheaper replacement? There's a couple of guys at my club, constantly moaning about the price of tenergy, yet they seem to turn up with something new each week, that gets about 5 hours of play before they decide they don't like it.
I realise my points above aren't a justification for butterfly's pricing strategy, and in reality the cost should be closer to other manufacturers, however in general TT isn't an expensive sport and i'm not sure this topic deserves quite so much coverage (Yes I get the irony in that last statement, given I've just added to it)
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 4:22pm |
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1: Don't know how you used to glue, but I've got the opposite experience. I could easily get 4 months out of my glued rubbers, but only about 2 months out of the T05 before it starts showing real signs of ageing and lose a lot of it's grip.
2: Not much. When I buy a new rubber, I use it, unless it's a total disaster, which have only happened 2-3 times. I could experiment a lot before I reach the price of a Tenergy. So the answer is, YES, Tenergy is really that expensive. |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 4:31pm |
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It's not really expensive...
it's R E A L L Y expensive.
R E A L L Y.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 4:35pm |
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Yes its expensive, but I get your point if you colate all the money you spend on cheap rubbers for the past " lets say" 8 months, because some chinese rubbers will only last 2 weeks or even a week depending on the level of playing. In that way it will be more expensive than a sheet of Tenergy. But the point here is more on the markets perspective, because we are the end consumers and the first thing we will look for is price and quality, there are alot of cheap rubbers that also last longer and perform very well depending on there preference. Hence tenergy is not as durable as you might say it is, mine only lasted for 2 months. Thats what make the buzz about the price increase.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 4:41pm |
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Not only Really Expensive - it's outrageously and ridiculously Expensive!!
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:25pm |
+1. Good thing from Butterfly is about giving much more space for EJ-ing to all ex-tenergy users,including myself  Edited by Zo k - 02/22/2011 at 5:35pm |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:28pm |
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If the cost of rubber was the main factor in the cost of Tenergy, a car tire would cost $3000.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:34pm |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:35pm |
or the price of condoms would be $25 a pack!! |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:40pm |
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let's just say I can buy a whole week of groceries with the cost of just one sheet of Tenergy, and that includes fish, poultry, veges, and fruits.
Tenergy is F***ing expensive!!! |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:41pm |
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Formula 1 and drag race tires are small volume.
Custom rifles and shotguns can cost $100,000 but it is not the cost of materials doing it.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:47pm |
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I see a lot of people here impressed by Tenergy's price
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:53pm |
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Self-irony is the best form of irony.
I've noticed that tenergy users tend to become addicted, so I stay away from it... |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 6:18pm |
Let's see $73 every month front and back = $1752 every year.. so you could either buy Tenergy and hope to become one of the few successful table tennis players who eventually can afford to play it or you can save up for four years and go to college to lean why rubber + sponge shouldn't cost $73 a sheet... |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 6:49pm |
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When you compare to Thor's $30, and 120 hours of play at peak performance, upto 300 (recorded by someone in this forum)....
Tenergy with 30 hours peak performance ... and 30 more off-peak hours....!!! for $ 73.... Well... let me guess. is it? |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 6:53pm |
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What is the cheapest source for Tenergies? Besides the used market.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 7:27pm |
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I think the original poster is right. Cost is covered over time. I never throw a rubber in the bin, my first t05 a few years ago now plays like an old generation butterfly rubber.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 7:51pm |
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I know so many kids in my club that only want to play with tenergy because its 'cool' and their idols play with tenergy. I feel sorry for their parents, I’m glad I don’t expense them (78 dollars! in germany). And even the kids that aren’t cool, I would hate to transition to tenergy after getting used to playing with some cheap euro rubber. I'm very happy with the longevity and price (32 dollars) of my DHS NEOs and that I get two for the price of one sheet of tenergy. So to is my training partner who swears by his 12 dollar 729 friendship rubbers. Having said that I would be interested to know where and how tenergy is produced as I’m sure the fact I can get two NEOs for one tenergy has something to do with some blood diamond labor laws which ifso then you would have the moral high ground.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 8:09pm |
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2 neos for one tenergy?
mr. Smash: you need to contact right dealers...because we get four and 4 NEOs for $75 here in bulk.... individually $20 per sheet.
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 8:17pm |
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Posted: 02/22/2011 at 10:38pm |
With Tenergy, it's not the cost of the rubber or the cost of production. It's the demand side. It's artificially expensive because people are willing to pay. |
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Posted: 02/23/2011 at 1:50am |
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REALLY REALLY REALLY ... . . .. Expensive!
now starting to go 100+$ here.
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Posted: 02/23/2011 at 11:06am |
No need to feel sorry for the parents and maybe you don't have kid/s.
Kid can be getting better in a very short of period of time but adult can not no matter how hard they try and what kinds of rubber they use. Parent can see the accomplishment from their investment on their kid, so they can take the suffer to spent a few dollars more on the best rubbers for their kids. They are probably more worry about their kid miss the boat in learning at young age before the kids are growing up too quick to become a young adult in a blink of eyes. Also they are not supporting this in a long run and maybe just 4-5 years.
So my point is as long as the most of professional and top junior players using Tenergy, so are a lot of kids back up by their parents pocket will follow their kid idols. You will not see the Tenergy price going down soon. The best product wins the demand: the rule of the economy. Afterall we are living in the world of limited resource with unlimited human desire. We have no choice rather have to pay whatever the price if you want to and can afford to use Tenergy. I met a friend at club just spent $75 to buy a piece of Tenergy and I asked him with surprise: why you want to waste that much amount money to buy a rubber. He said to me: I don't smoke and drink and no other desire to travel soon so why not to buy a Tenergy to enjoy game I loved... I have nothing else to say!!
Maybe someone will make rubber better than Tenergy soon? You will see Tenergy's price going down for sure but at that time who will care about Tenergy. Everyone will start to whining about price scalping of the new rubbers then.
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Posted: 02/23/2011 at 11:32am |
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So so true +1 Now that I'm a father, as soon as my son turns 3 or 4, he will start training, I will let him use defferent rubbers aside from tenergy, in that way he can play around and experiment on what is best for his style. I just recently use tenergy or any butterfly rubber, I'm into DONIC or Japanese rubber like Yasaka. The only reason I use tenergy is out of curiosity to why its so expensive and why they tag it as the best table tennis rubber.
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Posted: 02/23/2011 at 11:43am |
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Tenergy for kids just playing the game??? you guys must be joking or rich. lol.
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Posted: 02/23/2011 at 11:56am |
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hmmm I believe you didn't get the point of the story, its not about rich, its about being parent and whats best for there kids. you may find it as funny but I personaly see kids in our club who has the luxury of using tenergy. If they can afford it then go, regardless if they are rich or not. The point here is that people still buys tenergy even if the price is unbelievably high.
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Posted: 02/23/2011 at 11:58am |
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As I stated, I personally don't do that to my son when the time he starts to train.
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My son will use a All- to All setup when he starts playing. or maybe I'll let him use a premade. Insensitve to spin, can generate a spin.. I will just let him have fun on his first year in table tennis. Lets see how salable tenergy will be when all retailers sells it for 105$.
Even rich people I know now moves away from it. Its price isnt really justifiable in my/our opinion. Is there any rumors/news that tenergy will increase price again? about 100+$ in US/Europe/etc Edited by wyatt - 02/23/2011 at 12:24pm |
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You really think any of the chineese kids coming through or that came through the chineese training system made it to the top because their parents invested in high class training equiptment. I would save the money for world class coaching then speculative rubbers.
I think Xu Xin would have destoryed Tenergy Boll with any setup last month. In my town the focus is on getting the kids into the right coaching program and taking the recommendations of the coaches. It's nice because the kids without deep pockets but an ability to listen and implement feedback leap bounds ahead of the tenergy kids. These kids cant even touch the net from where they serve and they need tenergy?
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