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    Posted: 08/16/2010 at 1:59pm
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starts this wednesday.  on both the men's and women's sides, most of the top-20 will be there, except for ma long, who's pulled out due to injury.

cuz he's out, wang hao has been moved up to the top seed and timo to the 2nd seed.

here's the men's seed list:

1 WANG Hao   CHN M 2
07/31/2010 4:09:48 AM
2 BOLL Timo   GER M 3
07/21/2010 2:51:09 AM
3 MA Lin   CHN M 4
08/15/2010 1:40:37 AM
4 ZHANG Jike   CHN M 5
07/21/2010 2:51:35 AM
5 WANG Liqin   CHN M 6
07/21/2010 2:51:46 AM
6 XU Xin   CHN M 8
08/15/2010 1:41:41 AM
7 MIZUTANI Jun   JPN M 9
07/21/2010 2:52:00 AM
8 JOO Se Hyuk   KOR M 11
07/28/2010 6:18:49 AM
9 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij   GER M 12
08/14/2010 9:47:13 PM
10 CHEN Qi   CHN M 13
07/31/2010 4:10:24 AM
11 OH Sang Eun   KOR M 15
07/21/2010 2:52:50 AM
12 CHUANG Chih-Yuan   TPE M 16
07/21/2010 2:53:07 AM
13 TANG Peng   HKG M 17
07/21/2010 2:53:22 AM
14 RYU Seung Min   KOR M 18
07/31/2010 4:11:05 AM
15 SUSS Christian   GER M 19
07/21/2010 2:53:48 AM
16 CHEN Weixing   AUT M 20
07/21/2010 2:53:56 AM
17 YOSHIDA Kaii   JPN M 21
07/21/2010 2:54:09 AM
18 GAO Ning   SIN M 22
07/31/2010 4:09:32 AM
19 KISHIKAWA Seiya   JPN M 28
07/31/2010 4:10:03 AM
20 LEE Jung Woo   KOR M 31
07/21/2010 2:55:21 AM
21 STEGER Bastian   GER M 32
07/21/2010 2:55:11 AM
22 YOON Jae Young   KOR M 34
07/28/2010 6:17:39 AM
23 GERELL Par   SWE M 42
08/15/2010 3:47:30 AM
24 KIM Jung Hoon   KOR M 43
07/31/2010 4:10:38 AM
25 BAUM Patrick   GER M 44
07/31/2010 4:10:52 AM
26 SEO Hyun Deok   KOR M 45
07/21/2010 3:06:40 AM
27 JIANG Tianyi   HKG M 48
08/01/2010 5:29:25 PM
28 KAN Yo   JPN M 50
08/09/2010 3:29:37 AM
29 MATSUDAIRA Kenta   JPN M 52
08/12/2010 3:26:46 AM
30 SKACHKOV Kirill   RUS M 53
08/12/2010 8:30:48 AM
31 KUZMIN Fedor   RUS M 56
08/15/2010 11:06:41 AM
32 CHO Eon Rae   KOR M 59
08/16/2010 1:00:30 AM


and the women's seed list:

1 LIU Shiwen   CHN W 1
07/21/2010 2:57:54 AM
2 FENG Tianwei   SIN W 2
07/31/2010 4:12:01 AM
3 GUO Yan   CHN W 3
07/31/2010 4:12:36 AM
4 DING Ning   CHN W 4
07/31/2010 4:11:45 AM
5 KIM Kyung Ah   KOR W 5
07/31/2010 4:11:22 AM
6 GUO Yue   CHN W 6
07/31/2010 4:12:11 AM
7 JIANG Huajun   HKG W 7
07/31/2010 4:11:33 AM
8 LI Xiaoxia   CHN W 7
07/21/2010 2:59:23 AM
9 WANG Yuegu   SIN W 9
07/21/2010 2:59:47 AM
10 FUKUHARA Ai   JPN W 10
07/31/2010 4:12:26 AM
11 WU Jiaduo   GER W 11
07/21/2010 2:59:57 AM
12 HIRANO Sayaka   JPN W 13
07/21/2010 3:00:24 AM
13 PARK Mi Young   KOR W 15
07/21/2010 3:00:37 AM
14 YU Mengyu   SIN W 16
07/21/2010 3:00:48 AM
15 SUN Beibei   SIN W 17
07/21/2010 3:00:58 AM
16 TIE Yana   HKG W 19
07/21/2010 3:01:12 AM
17 HUANG Yi-Hua   TPE W 20
07/21/2010 3:01:25 AM
18 WU Yang   CHN W 26
07/21/2010 3:02:04 AM
19 SEOK Ha Jung   KOR W 28
07/21/2010 3:02:14 AM
20 LI Jiawei   SIN W 29
07/21/2010 3:02:29 AM
21 ISHIKAWA Kasumi   JPN W 34
07/21/2010 3:02:51 AM
22 LIN Ling   HKG W 35
07/21/2010 3:02:40 AM
23 HU Melek   TUR W 37
07/21/2010 3:08:32 AM
24 SILBEREISEN Kristin   GER W 40
07/21/2010 3:03:19 AM
25 LEE Eun Hee   KOR W 42
07/28/2010 6:13:56 AM
26 ISHIGAKI Yuka   JPN W 43
07/21/2010 3:08:43 AM
27 LAU Sui Fei   HKG W 45
07/21/2010 3:04:08 AM
28 LI Xue ^   FRA W 48
07/21/2010 3:03:57 AM
29 CHENG I-Ching   TPE W 50
07/31/2010 4:12:49 AM
30 KIM Jong   PRK W 51
08/04/2010 7:19:33 AM
31 SHEN Yanfei   ESP W 53
08/15/2010 11:07:46 AM
32 ZHANG Rui   HKG W 55
08/15/2010 11:49:20 PM

takaaki comment from 2nd post: looking at that list, if the ittf does a 1-3-5-7/2-4-6-8 draw then boll would have to go thru joo again and possibly 3 chinese (barring any upsets) to get to the final.  good luck!!
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Full clips

First round matches
(from itTV)

Darius Knight vs Timo Boll
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QWW184O1

Jun Mizutani vs Andrew Baggaley
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=J11RD3LZ

Ma Lin vs Ghosh Soumyajit
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2OZYRZAK

Wang Hao vs Cai Xiaoli
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GOAI5FI2

CHUANG Chih-Yuan_WU Chih-Chi(TPE) vs Shibaev_Vlasov(RUS)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GVY1TC2E

Seok Ha Jung_Kang Mi Soon (KOR) vs Kumaresan_Patkar (IND)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O0JGUQLI

Hu Melek (TUR) vs HSIUNG Nai-I (TPE)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=887FV104

Hu Melek (TUR) vs Partyka Natalia (POL)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KFTZDSFX

Ma Lin_Xu Xin (CHN) vs Kou Lei_Zhmudenko Yaroslav (UKR)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0HSYE8LG

Feng Tianwei (SIN) vs Zheng Jiaqi (USA)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RZVV637B

Guo Yan (CHN) vs SIM Kain Xin (SIN)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2TTTIKRS

Jiang Huajun (HKG) vs PARK Young Sook (KOR)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XNDRODXI

Liu Shiwen (CHN) vs LEE I-Chen (TPE)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BETTGYYO


Round of 64:

Kim Chol Jin (PRK) - Kaii Yoshida (JPN)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JN54U3G3

Wu Chih-Chi (TPE) - Seo Hyun Deok (KOR)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SK6QRN6Y

Janos Jakab (HUN) - Bastian Steger (GER)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UL6S3TPU

Wang Hao vs Yoon Jae Young

Round of 32:

Kenta Matsudaira (JPN) - Chuang Chih-Yuan (TPE)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q52ZOOG8

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EAMY8R0U

Paul Drinkhall (ENG) - Chen Qi (CHN)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6YAZOP8Z

Ma Lin vs Wu Chih-Chi
Wang Hao vs Chuang Chih-Yuan
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X9HTT7DS

Wang Liqin vs Lee Jung Woo
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PGGA5MLQ

Round of 16

Ma Lin - Chen Qi
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NI2MZX80

Tang Peng (HKG) - Joo Se Hyuk (KOR)
Tang Peng, Jiang Tianyi vs Lebesson Emmanuel, Salifou Abdel-Kader
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GZGE6DDK
 
QF

Xu Xin vs Timo Boll

Li Xiaoxia vs Liu Shiwen
Shen Yanfei vs Feng Tianwei
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WWDNLWL6 


Chen Qi, Wang Liqin vs Ryu Seung Min, Seo Hyun Deok
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8DOF2LJR

SF

Ma Lin vs Xu Xin
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CMFFEH8L
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AO4Z9PZ

Zhang Jike vs Wang Liqin
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9WL30A0R

Kim Kyung Ah vs Shen Yanfei
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WYTZRRT4

Li Xiaoxia vs Ding Ning
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1U0K336U

Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning vs Sun Bei Bei, Shen Yanfei 
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AZ9JZVTH


Finals

Li Xiaoxia vs Kim Kyung Ah
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SK4F96FM

Zhang Jike vs Ma Lin
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1KMNKEWG
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZZ9UBA7K

MD-F Ma Lin Xu Xin vs Wang Liqin Chen Qi
YouTube

Timo Boll vs Darius Knight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFdYpUbo_wo


Paul Drinkhall vs Chen Qi

Kenta Matsudaira - Chuang Chih-Yuan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m131VsQfoFs

Wang Liqin vs Lee Jung Woo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVm7Ky_DAeE

Joo Se Hyuk vs Tang Peng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG9uJzkOfJU

Ma Lin - Chen Qi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6YecxYEcOM

Ma Lin - Joo Se Hyuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Mo8koNUOI

Chen Qi, Wang Liqin - Ryu Seung Min, Seo Hyun Deok

Zhang Jike vs Gao Ning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-5DuddUch0

Xu Xin - Timo Boll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSnpWSFcRw

Wang Hao - Wang Liqin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Sq7F_4bNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiRV-yFomyI

Ma Lin - Xu Xin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtXflDEgT18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djmayL1yi1M

Zhang Jike - Wang Liqin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kk4bWGd9n8

Ma Lin - Zhang Jike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqbSPW-thX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3vXeR3EW1o

Li Xiaoxia - Kim Kyung Ah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7zs30zvuhA

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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

looking at that list, if the ittf does a 1-3-5-7/2-4-6-8 draw then boll would have to go thru joo again and possibly 3 chinese (barring any upsets) to get to the final.  good luck!!


The draw doesn't work like that. The only thing certain is that Boll won't have to play Wang Hao until the final.
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no, it's usually some sort of variation of that.  for example, i said above 1-3-5-7/2-4-6-8, but at the korean open this past weekend, it was 1-3-5/2-4-6 and at the moroccan open, it was 1-3-7-(8)/2-4-(5)-6

usually, (not always) one side of the draw is "odd" and the other "even."  it's not as random as you may think.

now, 1-3/2-4 is absolute--they always do it that way except at the world cup, and maybe the olympics.  but after that, it's "random," but, even so, they usually put more "odd" seeds on one side and "even" seeds on the other.

so, this week, wang hao will be at the "top" of the draw and timo at the bottom.  and at the bottom of wang's half will be ma lin and at the top of timo's half will be zhang jike.

after that, it may be random.  if not, then wang liqin will be at the bottom wang hao's "quarter" and xu xin will be at the top of timo's "quarter."


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I have to say that I'd really like to see Timo Boll win but anything can happen.  It will be a good match if Timo plays Wang Hao at the end.  Who's everyone cheering for?  Is there anywhere we can watch this live?
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oh, yes, i forgot to mention that the ittf says they will stream it on itTV, but they haven't announced their broadcast schedule yet.

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Ma long is out, so I will root for Wang Liqin. 
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:


now, 1-3/2-4 is absolute--they always do it that way except at the world cup, and maybe the olympics. 


Sorry, but just look at the Korean Open semis: men's was 1-3/2-4 but women's was 1-4/2-3. Only 1/2 is absolute, the rest goes by the luck of the draw.

(And if one were to pick "absolutes" as some sports/tournaments do, 1-4/2-3 makes more sense because it's more balanced.)
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Ma long is out, so I will root for Wang Liqin. 
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:


now, 1-3/2-4 is absolute--they always do it that way except at the world cup, and maybe the olympics. 


Sorry, but just look at the Korean Open semis: men's was 1-3/2-4 but women's was 1-4/2-3. Only 1/2 is absolute, the rest goes by the luck of the draw.

(And if one were to pick "absolutes" as some sports/tournaments do, 1-4/2-3 makes more sense because it's more balanced.)


uh, i was only talking about the men--i honestly don't pay much attention to women's draws.

anyhow, at the morocco open they also did 1-4/2-3 with the women.  so perhaps that's the way they generally do it with them.

also, occasionally, in the past, i have seen a 1-4/2-3 with the men, but i noticed that it happened in a "back-to-back situation"  where you have pro tour events on consecutive weeks and more or less the same top seeds.

as for 1-4/2-3 being more "balanced," how is that?  the top seed gets an opponent 3 spots below them, whereas the 2nd seed gets the next seed.  so, theoretically, the top seed has the easier match.


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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:


uh, i was only talking about the men--i honestly don't pay much attention to women's draws.

anyhow, at the morocco open they also did 1-4/2-3 with the women.  so perhaps that's the way they generally do it with them.

also, occasionally, in the past, i have seen a 1-4/2-3 with the men, but i noticed that it happened in a "back-to-back situation"  where you have pro tour events on consecutive weeks and more or less the same top seeds.

as for 1-4/2-3 being more "balanced," how is that?  the top seed gets an opponent 3 spots below them, whereas the 2nd seed gets the next seed.  so, theoretically, the top seed has the easier match.


Are you serious?? You mean ITTF has different rules for men and women when they do the draw? Or that they change the draw system from one week to the next, or just on a whim?

As for more balanced: 1+4=5; 2+3=5 therefore the two halves are balanced in terms of the strength of the two players (as opposed to 1+3=4 and 2+4=6).
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Here's the official wording for draws at ITTF international competitions (men and women...):

3.06.02.03  The entry ranked 1 shall be placed at the top of the first half of the draw and the entry ranked 2 at the bottom of the second half, but all other seeded entries shall be drawn among specified places in the draw, as follows: 
3.06.02.03.01  the entries ranked 3 and 4 shall be drawn between the bottom of the first half of the draw and the top of the second half; 
3.06.02.03.02  the entries ranked 5-8 shall be drawn among the bottom places of the odd-numbered quarters of the draw and the top places of the even-numbered quarters; 
3.06.02.03.03  the entries ranked 9-16 shall be drawn among the bottom places of the odd-numbered eighths of the draw and the top places of the even-numbered eighths; 
3.06.02.03.04  the entries ranked 17-32 shall be drawn among the bottom places of the odd-numbered sixteenths of the draw and the top places of the even-numbered sixteenths. 
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I'm rooting for the korean players
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:


uh, i was only talking about the men--i honestly don't pay much attention to women's draws.

anyhow, at the morocco open they also did 1-4/2-3 with the women.  so perhaps that's the way they generally do it with them.

also, occasionally, in the past, i have seen a 1-4/2-3 with the men, but i noticed that it happened in a "back-to-back situation"  where you have pro tour events on consecutive weeks and more or less the same top seeds.

as for 1-4/2-3 being more "balanced," how is that?  the top seed gets an opponent 3 spots below them, whereas the 2nd seed gets the next seed.  so, theoretically, the top seed has the easier match.


Are you serious?? You mean ITTF has different rules for men and women when they do the draw? Or that they change the draw system from one week to the next, or just on a whim?

As for more balanced: 1+4=5; 2+3=5 therefore the two halves are balanced in terms of the strength of the two players (as opposed to 1+3=4 and 2+4=6).


...just on a whim...  that, my friend, is, in essence, what you have been arguing the whole time.

i, on the other hand, have been arguing that it is not random, and your quoting of the rule makes my point clearly.  do not try to turn around what i and you have been saying.

the examples of the korean open and the morocco open that i provided above are NOT my opinions, they are FACTS.  if you don't believe me, the draws are still available, so you can go and see it yourself.

anyhow, your quoting of the rule shows that they have some wriggle-room to swiitch the odd and even seeds, which, as i said above, they occasionally do.  anyhow, the draw will probably be up tomorrow, so we'll see how they do it this time...

balanced...  you mean they are balanced MATHEMATICALLY, but not (necessarily) as to seeding.

in the 1-4/2-3 scenario, the top seed has (theoretically) an easier match than the 2nd seed.  now, if it's done 1-3/2-4, then that is actually balanced, cuz both the 1st and 2nd seed will play an opponent 2 spots below them.
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Originally posted by ma ma wrote:

I'm rooting for the korean players


well, one of my favorite players is oh sang eun, so i guess i'm rooting for a korean player, too.

but my favorite of all is the WANG LIQIN, so he's the one i really want to see win!!

WANG LIQIN JIA YO!!


Edited by takaaki - 08/16/2010 at 10:03pm
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I give up... you're just clueless, there's no point arguing with someone like that.

Bottom line is that #3 and #4 seeds are drawn at random into either half - as opposed to placed deliberately as you thought. Etc. etc. etc.

Edit: the problem seems to be that you don't understand the meaning of the word "draw" - see below. A draw is by definition random, it's a lottery (it just follows certain constraints and parameters, which are formulated in the rules quoted above). ITTF does not place #3 or #4 deliberately near #1 or #2, nor do they have "wiggle-room" to do it one way or the other - it's decided by lot, by chance.

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an act of selecting names randomly, typically by extracting them from a bag or other container, to match competitors in a game or tournament


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Originally posted by lild100 lild100 wrote:

will it be on cctv5 or anything like that bro??? 


according to the cctv5 schedule at tvunetworks.com, they're gonna wait until the semis on sunday around 2 pm beijing time.  unfortunately, they only have 1 hour allotted for that, which means they'll cut out in the middle again.

and then at 10:35 am beijing time on monday they're gonna show the finals on tape delay.  again only one hour...

it's the youth olympics in singapore.  that's what's gonna take up all their broadcast time.  no time for ping-pong...
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Originally posted by ohhgourami ohhgourami wrote:

Expecting an all chinese semi finals hehehe


This is actually the most likely result...
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

I give up... you're just clueless, there's no point arguing with someone like that.

Bottom line is that #3 and #4 seeds are drawn at random into either half - as opposed to placed deliberately as you thought. Etc. etc. etc.

Edit: the problem seems to be that you don't understand the meaning of the word "draw" - see below. A draw is by definition random, it's a lottery (it just follows certain constraints and parameters, which are formulated in the rules quoted above). ITTF does not place #3 or #4 deliberately near #1 or #2, nor do they have "wiggle-room" to do it one way or the other - it's decided by lot, by chance.

Draw:
an act of selecting names randomly, typically by extracting them from a bag or other container, to match competitors in a game or tournament


YOU are the one that's clueless!!  i look at the pro tour draws most of time (for the men) and it's usually 1-3/2-4.  the times that i have noticed it being 1-4/2-3 was in a pro tour event taking place a 2nd week in a row.  after the top 4 seeds, then it becomes more random, as the rules allow.  but generally 5 & 7 are on the odd side and 6 & 8 are on the even side.

that said, i do vaguely recall that at the '07 worlds, they put no. 3-ranked timo boll in no. 2-ranked wang liqin's half of the draw and i remarked at the time that they went against what they normally did just to put boll in with a guy he had beaten recently as opposed to putting him in with ma lin, who has basically owned him the overwhelming majority of times they've played.  and you shot back with your usual "1-4, 2-3 is more balanced" and "that's what they do in other sports" lines.

anyhow, i guess "karma" intervened and boll got upset by ryu, a guy who had never beaten him before then.

i am a native english speaker and i am well aware of what the word "draw" means and, as far as i know, they only draw names out of a hat to set up the draw for the world cup and maybe the olympics.  oh and also the tourney of champions and china vs. the world...

pray tell, when have you ever been in the room with the ittf officials when they are working on the draw for a pro tour event??  you don't know what they're doing!!  in fact, i'm absolutely convinced you never even gave it a single thought until i mentioned it above!!  and you being the prick that you are, you try to start an argument, which is a total joke, cuz that's something you clearly can't do straight!!

so, pls do keep your word this time and give up!!  and stop trying to hijack this thread just to satisfy your sick need to feel superior!!




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GO WANG LIQIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wang Liqin. that's it.
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thanks for the list takaaki! so many top players, it's going to be a bloodbath!
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My expectations in Semi Wink
2 chinese= Wang Liqin and wang hao,
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Korea or jpn= Joo or MIZUTANI.
 
The winner should be Liqin......Clap
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lol, takaaki, listen to amateur, hes trying to teach you
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I also think Amateur is correct ...
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