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    Posted: 10/17/2010 at 2:12pm
ok, now, the show goes to austria, starting this wednesday.

mizutani will be there, but so will timo, so he'll really have his hands full, as if deuce and ad in the 7th wasn't "full" enough.

ovtcharov, however, has pulled out for some reason--maybe the stress of this whole doping episode has gotten to him and he needs a break.

also, i was looking at the player list and our own ADAM HUGH will be there representing the US of A.

let's see if he can get out of the qualis.

on the women's side, 2 top chinese (from the chinese nat'l team, that is) will show, LI XIAOXIA & GUO YUE.  on the men's side, china is sending playing their juniors again.
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

also, i was looking at the player list and our own ADAM HUGH will be there representing the US of A.

let's see if he can get out of the qualis.


He's got a helluva lot more chance than the other US player that keeps pouring money into going to pro tour events only to lose every single game...even though Adam Hugh couldn't beat the college players around here...
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y'know, that's right.

if i'm not mistaken, at the last pro tour event he played, he actually managed to get out of the qualis, but he drew some chinese player in the 1st round and got his butt royally kicked...
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Is Schlager gonna play???
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yes.  oh, here are the men's seeds:

Name Sex WR   Update
1 BOLL Timo   GER M 2
09/22/2010 11:17:31 AM
2 MIZUTANI Jun   JPN M 10
09/21/2010 4:45:16 AM
3 CHUANG Chih-Yuan   TPE M 16
09/21/2010 4:56:48 AM
4 GAO Ning   SIN M 17
10/03/2010 11:40:08 AM
5 TANG Peng   HKG M 18
09/21/2010 4:42:21 AM
6 RYU Seung Min   KOR M 19
09/21/2010 4:45:34 AM
7 SUSS Christian   GER M 21
09/28/2010 6:06:52 AM
8 SCHLAGER Werner   AUT M 22
09/21/2010 4:36:53 AM
9 SMIRNOV Alexey   RUS M 24
10/14/2010 3:57:58 AM
10 CHEN Weixing   AUT M 25
09/21/2010 4:37:11 AM
11 KISHIKAWA Seiya   JPN M 27
10/03/2010 11:41:22 AM
12 YOSHIDA Kaii   JPN M 29
09/21/2010 4:44:52 AM
13 APOLONIA Tiago   POR M 30
09/21/2010 4:48:30 AM
14 STEGER Bastian   GER M 31
09/21/2010 4:40:25 AM
15 CRISAN Adrian   ROU M 32
09/21/2010 4:50:16 AM
16 JIANG Tianyi   HKG M 33
10/17/2010 11:47:32 AM
17 GERELL Par   SWE M 34
09/22/2010 7:36:47 AM
18 YOON Jae Young   KOR M 38
09/30/2010 6:26:36 AM
19 PRIMORAC Zoran   HRV M 39
09/28/2010 6:07:34 AM
20 GIONIS Panagiotis   GRE M 42
09/21/2010 4:42:02 AM
21 TOKIC Bojan   SVN M 43
09/30/2010 7:47:00 AM
22 SAIVE Jean-Michel   BEL M 45
09/21/2010 4:37:41 AM
23 LUNDQVIST Jens   SWE M 46
09/21/2010 11:20:10 AM
24 KORBEL Petr   CZE M 47
09/21/2010 4:38:24 AM
25 PROKOPCOV Dmitrij   CZE M 49
09/21/2010 4:39:12 AM
26 BAUM Patrick   GER M 50
10/03/2010 11:40:44 AM
27 KUZMIN Fedor   RUS M 52
09/29/2010 8:10:19 AM
28 LEGOUT Christophe   FRA M 54
10/17/2010 11:48:03 AM
29 RUBTSOV Igor   RUS M 55
09/28/2010 7:41:31 AM
30 MONTEIRO Joao   POR M 56
09/29/2010 5:21:43 AM
31 JAKAB Janos   HUN M 57
10/12/2010 10:25:49 AM
32 GACINA Andrej   HRV M 58
10/16/2010 10:00:47 AM



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and the women's seeds:

Name Sex WR   Update
1 FENG Tianwei   SIN W 2
10/05/2010 6:44:32 AM
2 LI Xiaoxia   CHN W 6
09/22/2010 4:28:10 AM
3 WANG Yuegu   SIN W 7
09/22/2010 4:34:48 AM
4 GUO Yue   CHN W 8
10/03/2010 11:44:13 AM
5 FUKUHARA Ai   JPN W 9
10/05/2010 6:45:25 AM
6 WU Jiaduo   GER W 12
09/29/2010 5:19:12 AM
7 HIRANO Sayaka   JPN W 14
10/05/2010 6:45:50 AM
8 SHEN Yanfei   ESP W 15
09/22/2010 4:29:22 AM
9 SUN Beibei   SIN W 17
09/22/2010 4:35:29 AM
10 TOTH Krisztina   HUN W 19
09/22/2010 4:31:12 AM
11 YU Mengyu   SIN W 22
10/15/2010 10:25:43 AM
12 ZHU Yuling   CHN W 23
09/22/2010 4:47:57 AM
13 LI Jiawei   SIN W 24
10/05/2010 6:46:32 AM
14 LI Jiao   NED W 25
09/22/2010 4:32:43 AM
15 LIU Jia   AUT W 26
09/22/2010 4:27:28 AM
16 LI Jie   NED W 27
09/22/2010 4:33:01 AM
17 LI Qian   POL W 28
09/22/2010 4:33:25 AM
18 HUANG Yi-Hua   TPE W 30
09/22/2010 4:36:23 AM
19 ISHIGAKI Yuka   JPN W 30
09/22/2010 4:49:45 AM
20 ISHIKAWA Kasumi   JPN W 32
10/17/2010 5:05:21 AM
21 WU Yang   CHN W 33
09/28/2010 5:59:10 AM
22 DODEAN Daniela   ROU W 34
10/05/2010 6:46:09 AM
23 SAMARA Elizabeta   ROU W 36
09/22/2010 4:51:31 AM
24 GU Yuting   CHN W 38
09/22/2010 4:47:25 AM
25 CHENG I-Ching   TPE W 40
10/05/2010 6:44:54 AM
26 KANG Mi Soon ^   KOR W 42
09/22/2010 4:50:19 AM
27 SILBEREISEN Kristin   GER W 44
09/29/2010 5:15:12 AM
28 HIURA Reiko   JPN W 45
09/22/2010 4:38:44 AM
29 POTA Georgina   HUN W 50
09/22/2010 8:28:36 AM
30 LOVAS Petra   HUN W 53
10/05/2010 6:43:51 AM
31 SEO Hyo Won   KOR W 56
10/05/2010 6:44:10 AM
32 LI Qiangbing   AUT W 76
10/02/2010 5:04:41 AM

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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

y'know, that's right.

if i'm not mistaken, at the last pro tour event he played, he actually managed to get out of the qualis, but he drew some chinese player in the 1st round and got his butt royally kicked...

Well this year in the US open he made it out of the groups and lost to a Japanese player, the China open he beat a Chinese player playing for Austria and then lost to Lebesson from France.
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oh, wow!!  ok, so he has a good chance of getting out of the qualis and out of the 1st round...

anyhow, i wish him the best, cuz it's so rare that an american male plays the pro tour...
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Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:

He's got a helluva lot more chance than the other US player that keeps pouring money into going to pro tour events only to lose every single game...even though Adam Hugh couldn't beat the college players around here...


As far as I know, USATT does not sponsor any of the players to go to the pro tour events. That is why Adam gets his chances because he picks up the expenses himself. Who else will be ready to do that?

To sum it all up, given the financial situation of USATT, it is simply not feasible to have the American players sponsored in to these events. And the Adams of this world will continue to benefit.
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Originally posted by Takadigi Takadigi wrote:

Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:

He's got a helluva lot more chance than the other US player that keeps pouring money into going to pro tour events only to lose every single game...even though Adam Hugh couldn't beat the college players around here...


As far as I know, USATT does not sponsor any of the players to go to the pro tour events. That is why Adam gets his chances because he picks up the expenses himself. Who else will be ready to do that?

To sum it all up, given the financial situation of USATT, it is simply not feasible to have the American players sponsored in to these events. And the Adams of this world will continue to benefit.

Huh? 

I was refering to Wally Green in the lose every single game reference, he has been to tons of pro tour events and never won a single match and only won like a couple games against anyone I don't think, very pathetic waste of money on the individual's level.


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The women's side looks exciting, the young Chinese, Zhu Yuling and Gu Yuting will probably cause some big upsets Shocked
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Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:

I was refering to Wally Green in the lose every single game reference, he has been to tons of pro tour events and never won a single match and only won like a couple games against anyone I don't think, very pathetic waste of money on the individual's level.


Same thing applies to Wally too. Wally won't even appear on top 100 on US mens ranking. Yet, if he is ready to pay the bills to participate at the pro tour events, all powers to him. May be, the New Yorkers have a lot of extra cash to go to events just to lose matches.Confused

The good thing is that USATT's money is not being wasted for this.Big smile
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I hope Andrej Gacina will play well, he beated Chuan Chih Yuan and Chen Qi this season.
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wally is being sponsored by somebody, but i can't remember whom (or why).

usatt is not sponsoring anybody--they don't have the money to do that.

the problem with wally, with all due respect, is that, at his best, he's about a 2300-level player, but to play in the pro tour and get out of your group and get into the 1st round, you have to be, at the very least, 2600-level (unless you're playing at the junior or cadet level).
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Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

I hope Andrej Gacina will play well, he beated Chuan Chih Yuan and Chen Qi this season.


the past tense of "beat" is also "beat," not "beated."
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

I hope Andrej Gacina will play well, he beated Chuan Chih Yuan and Chen Qi this season.


the past tense of "beat" is also "beat," not "beated."


We have a lot of non-English speaking people here... also this kind of an education is better done through PMs. Just my 2c...
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

I hope Andrej Gacina will play well, he beated Chuan Chih Yuan and Chen Qi this season.


the past tense of "beat" is also "beat," not "beated."


We have a lot of non-English speaking people here... also this kind of an education is better done through PMs. Just my 2c...
 
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i'm well aware of the amount of non-native english speakers here on this site, but i had to say something, cuz, of all the mistakes they make, this is the one that irks me the most.

i originally was thinking to send a PM, but then i thought, y'know, if i do that, then the other non-native english speakers wouldn't get the benefit of that.

also, jimt, aren't you being just a bit hypocritical?  i recently wrote something in russian that was wrong and you didn't send me a PM.  so, in essence what you're saying is "don't do as i do, just do as i say."


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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

i'm well aware of the amount of non-native english speakers here on this site, but i had to say something, cuz, of all the mistakes they make, this is the one that irks me the most.

i originally was thinking to send a PM, but then i thought, y'know, if i do that, then the other non-native english speakers wouldn't get the benefit of that.

also, jimt, aren't you being just a bit hypocritical?  i recently wrote something in russian that was wrong and you didn't send me a PM.  so, in essence what you're saying is "don't do as i do, just do as i say."


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i am just glad that Schlager is going to play, he is the most amazing player to watch.

Go Schlager !!!



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Is there some kind of conspiracy, that top Chinese and top Germans are avoiding each other whenever it is possible?
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Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

Is there some kind of conspiracy, that top Chinese and top Germans are avoiding each other whenever it is possible?


i've been wondering about that myself.  but i think it's the chinese who's doing the "avoiding."  when you look at the pro tour standings, you see that none of the chinese will qualify this year for the grand finals.  i wonder if they are pissed about the rule changes, especially the new limit on the number of players allowed to play in the olympics and, in protest, they are boycotting the pro tour as they did (somewhat) in '05.  on the men's singles side, only then no. 21-ranked ma long qualified instead of his 6 higher-ranked teammates, so timo boll faced jean-michel saive in the final and, of course, beat him easily.

anyhow, timo (barring injury) will qualify again this year, which means he's on track to win another grand finals gold.
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What kind of rule is there to qualify for pro-tour grand finals? The Chinese typically don't send people to small pro tour events where the prize money won't even cover the travel expense, unless they wanna give their junior players some international match experience. But I think they'll at least try to qualify their best players for the grand finals mostly just for the high prize money.

In terms of event importance, it's clearly Olympics > WTTC >> World cup > Asian games, pro tour finals etc. The Chinese are also have high regards for events taking place on their soil, which is why you can see all the best Chinese players in pro tour China open. This year's Asian Games is also in China (Guangzhou), so their A team will play in the team and singles/doubles events.
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here's the rule and the pro tour standings of the top 75 players.  there are 2 more pro tour events left, the austrian open and the polish open, which means none of the top chinese will qualify as they are not entered into those events.  neither is joo se hyuk, so he won't qualify either.

timo boll is entered so he will qualify and be the top seed.

Qualification Criteria for the Pro Tour Grand Finals:
Event Number of Qualifiers Minimum Participation Requirements
Singles 16 players 6 Events OR 3 Continents
Doubles 8 pairs 4 Events (same players together)
U21 Singles 8 players 4 Events AND 2 Continents
Rank Elig Points Events Continents Player/Pair
NYE  55300  ZHANG Jike  CHN     110553MS
NYE  39150  XU Xin  CHN     110267MS
NYE  36850  WANG Liqin  CHN     109974MS
NYE  33900  MA Long  CHN     105649MS
NYE  33200  MA Lin  CHN     105648MS
NYE  30250  BOLL Timo  GER     101222MS
NYE  21825  JOO Se Hyuk  KOR     104212MS
  20319  LEE Sang Su  KOR     105197MS
NYE  19100  WANG Hao  CHN     109961MS
10  NYE  18950  MIZUTANI Jun  JPN     106195MS
11  NYE  18800  SAMSONOV Vladimir  BLR     108246MS
12  NYE  18225  OVTCHAROV Dimitrij  GER     107028MS
13    14038  GAO Ning  SIN     102943MS
14    12163  OH Sang Eun  KOR     106884MS
15    11213  RYU Seung Min  KOR     108098MS
16    10925  CHUANG Chih-Yuan  TPE     101820MS
17    10907  SEO Hyun Deok  KOR     111884MS
18  NYE  10494  LEE Jung Woo  KOR     105176MS
19  NYE  9982  LUNDQVIST Jens  SWE     105609MS
20  NYE  9588  TANG Peng  HKG     109253MS
21    8207  ACHANTA Sharath Kamal  IND     104314MS
22    7938  JUNG Young Sik  KOR     104257MS
23    7520  STEGER Bastian  GER     108958MS
24    7332  JIANG Tianyi  HKG     104128MS
25    7025  LI Ching  HKG     105307MS
26  NYE  6875  CHEN Qi  CHN     101668MS
27    6382  KIM Min Seok  KOR     111791MS
28    6126  YOON Jae Young  KOR     110404MS
29  NYE  6038  SMIRNOV Alexey  RUS     108780MS
30    6026  CHEN Weixing  AUT     101674MS
31    5638  SAIVE Jean-Michel  BEL     108170MS
32    5157  YOSHIDA Kaii  JPN     110410MS
33  NYE  4926  KIM Jung Hoon  KOR     104595MS
34  NYE  4869  FEJER-KONNERTH Zoltan  GER     102702MS
35  NYE  4288  KUZMIN Fedor  RUS     104983MS
36  NYE  4063  PROKOPCOV Dmitrij  CZE     107578MS
37    3845  MATSUDAIRA Kenta  JPN     105926MS
38    3795  YANG Zi  SIN     110330MS
39  NYE  3788  SUSS Christian  GER     109102MS
40    3738  JAKAB Janos  HUN     104009MS
41  NYE  3682  KISHIKAWA Seiya  JPN     104675MS
42    3519  SKACHKOV Kirill  RUS     108742MS
43    3294  BAUM Patrick  GER     100982MS
44  NYE  3269  VLASOV Grigory  RUS     109865MS
45  NYE  3213  KORBEL Petr  CZE     104813MS
46    3208  CHO Eon Rae  KOR     101747MS
47    3188  MATTENET Adrien  FRA     105937MS
48  NYE  3001  WU Chih-Chi  TPE     110209MS
49    2932  LIU Zhongze ^  SIN     105492MS
50  NYE  2838  GERELL Par  SWE     103037MS
51  NYE  2813  UEDA Jin  JPN     110730MS
52    2807  MENGEL Steffen  GER     106050MS
53    2738  HUANG Sheng-Sheng  TPE     103756MS
54  NYE  2651  CHAN Kazuhiro  JPN     114455MS
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^ Are you sure the top 5 Chinese won't qualify? It says "6 events OR 3 continents" 
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yes, buddy, i know it's hard to accept, but it's a done deal.  they've only played in europe and asia, so they must play 6 events and they won't make it.  they must be angry about something, as i said above...

vladi, on the other hand, will only play 3 events, but he will end up playing on 3 continents, so he will qualify.

now, i understand why he went to play in the moroccan open...


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i'm not sure they are angry. I think this goes back to the chinese coach saying china is dominating everything and destroying the interest of the sport. Currently, they are not joining many events, and letting their B team youngsters play. All in all, they are not winning many events and giving other countries a shot. Which I think is a GOOD thing! It sometimes is boring watching an event without the top chinese, because you don't get to see the speed, explosiveness, and consistency. But for the future this is definitely a good thing.
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I can't find Hugh in the Quali's so perhaps he did not make it there afterall, and I think Wally might be sponsored by EA Sports as he helped develop the video game....
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Originally posted by raflispet raflispet wrote:

I can't find Hugh in the Quali's so perhaps he did not make it there afterall, and I think Wally might be sponsored by EA Sports as he helped develop the video game....

ok found him in group 10
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