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    Posted: 01/04/2014 at 9:41pm
The third World Championship of Ping-Pong (sandpaper) is happening right now.

Check the results here

http://www.worldchampionshipofpingpong.net/fixtures.htm

and watch it here (sometimes)

http://cricfree.tv/sky-sports-3-live-stream-uk.php
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Killerspin's Lupulesku is through to the quater-finals. Go Lupi!
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Lupulesku - Baggaley right now at SkySports4! Ilia is 1-0 ahead.
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Lupulesku plays "ping-pong" like it was "table tennis"! He actually loops with the hardbat ...

Edited by vvk1 - 01/05/2014 at 2:48pm
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Lupi wins the second set at sudden death point 15-14 and goes to semi!
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Lupulesku plays "ping-pong" like it was "table tennis"! He actually loops with the hardbat ...


This is not a hardbat! Sandpaper is a very different animal - at least in spin. You can spin with sandpaper, but it requires big adjustment in technique.
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Sorry, my mistake. 

Matt Syed - the commentator - mentioned several times that one playing with a sandpaper bat can generate about 10% of the spin produced with a normal sponge bat. Which makes the way Iliya plays so amazing - he loops so well with sandpaper.
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Sorry, my mistake. 

Matt Syed - the commentator - mentioned several times that one playing with a sandpaper bat can generate about 10% of the spin produced with a normal sponge bat. Which makes the way Iliya plays so amazing - he loops so well with sandpaper.


I guess that the spin produced by sandpaper bat is not great but you can loop with it much better than with hardbat because it has considerably more grip.
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Last QF: Rushton - Pistej is right now. Pistej just equalized at 12-12 in the 1st set.

Later: Rushton leads 1-0
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Rushton beats Pistej 2-0 in the last QF and the semis are:

Shmyrev - Gonzales
Lupulesku - Rushton

will start in a few minutes. Watch it here

http://cricfree.tv/sky-sports-4-live-stream.php
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Shmyrev beats Gonzales 2-1 and he is in the final. Next in a few minutes: Lupulesku - Rushton
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Lupulesku is 1:0 up against Rushton.
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Lupi wins the semi. 2-0.

Final: Shmyrev - Lupulesku - in a few minutes, I guess.
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Looking pretty ugly...
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Shmyrev leads 2-0 in sets...
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I do like the 15 point games and think those would make more sense.
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Shmyrev is playing lefty Lupulesku using tactics from Larry Hodges' "Table tennis tactics for thinkers" .. uncanny.
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Shmyrev wins 3-0 and he is Three-Times-In-A-Row World Champion of Sandpaper Ping-Pong!!! yay!!!
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Looks like a big world title with big money but unfortunately those table tennis powerhouses never seem to get interested in either participating or putting the results in the news.    Honestly, I had never seen a sandpaper player until I came to the States.  

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The commentators said sandpaper was a big sport in the Phillipines ...
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Originally posted by chunyenliu chunyenliu wrote:

Looks like a big world title with big money but unfortunately those table tennis powerhouses never seem to get interested in either participating or putting the results in the news.    Honestly, I had never seen a sandpaper player until I came to the States.  


Well, it's a very very recent thing - and one other problem is that except for this WCPP event and its regionals, there are literally almost zero sandpaper tournaments anywhere.

Except for Philippines, and recently in the USA. Perhaps a couple more countries? I am not sure...
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Sorry, my mistake. 

Matt Syed - the commentator - mentioned several times that one playing with a sandpaper bat can generate about 10% of the spin produced with a normal sponge bat. Which makes the way Iliya plays so amazing - he loops so well with sandpaper.

I guess that the spin produced by sandpaper bat is not great but you can loop with it much better than with hardbat because it has considerably more grip.

Not true, Jim. I have 2 of the bats used by the WCPP. A decent hardbat produces far more spin and does it more reliably also.
Remove the rubber from any bat that you have and play with it on the pure wood. That's more or less the characteristic of sandpaper downgraded a bit. In fact, most players in regular training mess about with rubberless bats all the time as it doesn't hurt their sponge technique unlike hardbat.

edit: These WCPP bats are unique in that they are very large. 




Edited by Tinykin - 01/05/2014 at 6:25pm
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Sorry, my mistake. 

Matt Syed - the commentator - mentioned several times that one playing with a sandpaper bat can generate about 10% of the spin produced with a normal sponge bat. Which makes the way Iliya plays so amazing - he loops so well with sandpaper.

I guess that the spin produced by sandpaper bat is not great but you can loop with it much better than with hardbat because it has considerably more grip.

Not true, Jim. I have 2 of the bats used by the WCPP. A decent hardbat produces far more spin and does it more reliably also.
Remove the rubber from any bat that you have and play with it on the pure wood. That's more or less the characteristic of sandpaper downgraded a bit. In fact, most players in regular training mess about with rubberless bats all the time as it doesn't hurt their sponge technique unlike hardbat.

edit: These WCPP bats are unique in that they are very large. 



Hmm. I was always under the impression that sandpaper grabs the ball better than hardbat - simply due to the friction that all those grains of sand produce. That's why the balls get destroyed faster when playing with sandpaper.
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hardbat it all depends on short pip rubbers you use but usually it produces more spin than sandpaper blades. The reason why your break more balls with sandpaper blades is simply because the surface is way harder than than any hardbat rubber.
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Do you know by chance what grit is the sandpaper?
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World championships of Ping Pong 2014 Final Schmyrev RUS vs Lupulescu USA HD
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Yes this one is better quality! Thanks!

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@ JimT,
I should have mentioned this before in our spin discussion. When playing with sandpaper, the balls become very rough within a few minutes. I'm not sure what effect this has on the spin but I suspect that there is a bit more grip. But at the same time, notice how the players vigorously rub the blade on receiving them. It's as if they want to get the surface as smooth as possible.
I don't know what grit they use but it's very fine. 
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