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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by Vlad0 Vlad0 wrote:

2 hours test and i'm not impressed. Definitely more difficult to play with it compared to T05 regular. Of course warm up was excellent because it's new, but during matches - nope. And i'm not that fast anymore and it requires force like every other hard rubber. In other words it doesn't help when you are out of position. Gosh, this rubber is really harder than i expected. If it not brake in soon i will boost it for sure. Some weird stuff in the short game like pop up too many balls, pushes in the net or going long. I suppose i'm too used to the regular (boosted) and i'll need to get used. This rubber is for pros really and shines brightly in one department - counter looping.
funny. Your post is the first one I came upon after playing with the hard. Whatever I wanted to say is more or less said by you. Those that love the regular for it known properties don't have a reason 2 switch to the hard. I could see some players benefiting from the hard but it will be a minority.


You are probably right that people who are very used to the regular T05 may not be all that comfortable with T05 Hard.  It behaves quite differently over the table.

In my case, I could never quite come to grips with the regular T05, because of how it behaves over the table.  T05 Hard on the other hand, fits my FH perfectly, coming from MX-S and boosted Chinese rubbers.

One of the reasons for me to switch to T05 is to avoid boosting and for me it works really well unboosted.

Perhaps, T05 Hard is there to offer a Tenergy alternative for people who would not be using Tenergy otherwise.

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I am in your camp of not using 05R as well and was hoping the H could replace boosted H3. Will have to further experiment to come to a conclusion but as posted by Slevin I suspect the preference will be for H3. Hoping the overall net (dis)advantages will be small.
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

In addition, 4 grams wouldn't necessarily make ones racket unplayable. I play short pimple with thin sponge on one side. I wouldn't mind an extra 4 grams at all.  Also, if it were such a big deal, you could just get a new blade which was 4 grams lighter to make up the difference. 


Interesting. Never heard about someone boosting short pips but pros.Most players I know dont like 05H

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by Vlad0 Vlad0 wrote:

2 hours test and i'm not impressed. Definitely more difficult to play with it compared to T05 regular. Of course warm up was excellent because it's new, but during matches - nope. And i'm not that fast anymore and it requires force like every other hard rubber. In other words it doesn't help when you are out of position. Gosh, this rubber is really harder than i expected. If it not brake in soon i will boost it for sure. Some weird stuff in the short game like pop up too many balls, pushes in the net or going long. I suppose i'm too used to the regular (boosted) and i'll need to get used. This rubber is for pros really and shines brightly in one department - counter looping.
funny. Your post is the first one I came upon after playing with the hard. Whatever I wanted to say is more or less said by you. Those that love the regular for it known properties don't have a reason 2 switch to the hard. I could see some players benefiting from the hard but it will be a minority.

You are probably right that people who are very used to the regular T05 may not be all that comfortable with T05 Hard.  It behaves quite differently over the table.

In my case, I could never quite come to grips with the regular T05, because of how it behaves over the table.  T05 Hard on the other hand, fits my FH perfectly, coming from MX-S and boosted Chinese rubbers.

One of the reasons for me to switch to T05 is to avoid boosting and for me it works really well unboosted.

Perhaps, T05 Hard is there to offer a Tenergy alternative for people who would not be using Tenergy otherwise.

ILya


There is nothing could replace boosted H3. MX-S and T05H maybe similar but on the other side of H3.
origin H3 (42D) boosted by 5ml thin booster (Axel or Reviver) is still the best.

Yes, any pro, prov, NT, blue,..H3 goes with FTL will be the same as T05H
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Weirdly, boosted H3 did not work well for me at all, but some other Chinese rubbers did.

MX-S was my mainstay for a while, T05H seems to work best for me at the moment.

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I've been using Tenergy O5 Hard Max for two weeks and it's the first Tenergy rubber I find suitable for my FH.
It feels a little hard, but it doesn't play very hard - it is quite lively, IMO.  What I like the most about it is that it's fast and relatively spinny, but not as bouncy as most other Tenergy rubbers, which makes it linear and predictable in short game, as well as in mid and long-distance play.
It is considerably heavier than most other rubbers, but not too heavy for me.


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anybody boosted the 05H yet?
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Originally posted by VictorK VictorK wrote:

I've been using Tenergy O5 Hard Max for two weeks and it's the first Tenergy rubber I find suitable for my FH.
It feels a little hard, but it doesn't play very hard - it is quite lively, IMO.  What I like the most about it is that it's fast and relatively spinny, but not as bouncy as most other Tenergy rubbers, which makes it linear and predictable in short game, as well as in mid and long-distance play.
It is considerably heavier than most other rubbers, but not too heavy for me.



That's pretty close to my impressions.  I can deal with a bouncier rubber on the BH fairly well, but on the FH I like something a little more linear.

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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Boosts well with dandoy
I have Dandoy ,what changes does it make

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I have been using this rubber for a month. This is the 1st Tenergy that I really like (never was a fan of T05).

My opinions on blade matches with T05 hard
  1. I guess all-wood blades would work well (as the rubber is really powerful)
  2. re: composite ALC blades, I would put this on a blade with a soft outer layer. I find that this rubber works much better with the Zhang Jike ALC than with TB-ALC (to me, generally and at same weights, hardness rankings are as follows: TB-ALC > Viscaria > ZJK-ALC). Short game is excellent with ALC blades & so are opening loops (spinnier than with T05). Loop-loop from mid-distance might require a bit more effort (which, when put in, creates more powerful stroke than with T05).
  3. I would not put this on ZLC blades - would not get good enough dwell on medium-soft strokes (IMHO, ZLC blades (relative to ALC blades) generally offer great dwell on very hard strokes but not so good dwell on medium-soft strokes).
  4. It might work great with boosting (though I have not tried it yet).
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I totally agree with the latest comment from slevin. I do play with a custom blade that is wood with a thin layer of carbon called INNEGRA S. My blade (rosewood, carbon, kiri, carbon, rosewood) this blade I slower than my viscaria and has more of a wood feel. It works fantastic with the T05Hard. I also did experiment with gluing the rubber using Elmers Rubber cement and I must say I like it Wink! I overall found that T05Hard improved my game in all departments, especially in the serve receive. I was not long time ago about 2070 ranked player using shlager with regular 05 both sides, since past 3 months I switched to the blade mentioned above with 05Hard on both sides. Past tournament I was able to beat 2200 & 2340 player and only lost to 2550 player. After my observations I am confident to say that because I was able to receive higher rated player serves with easy, that gave me a better chance to stay even or win with them. I played this 2550 guy in the past and with regular 05tenergy I had tons of trouble with his serves and eventually he was destroying me with 3rd ball... with 05Hard he was even surprised that I was able to keep up with his serves and to some point even surprise him from time to time. For me 05H on an all wood, or slower carbon blades is a winner on both sides. I am planning to stick with it for awhile!

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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

A 15 euro Spinlord Marder 2.0 mm is a much better rubber for about 99% of the amateurs.
What about Spinlord Marder IV for looping play? 
How can it be compared with Vega Europe and Bluefire JP03?
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Hi,

Truly excellent and very helpful comments by a number of posters here on Tenergy 05 Hard.  Really very intelligent and sound thoughts expressed.

I am interested in any specific observation concerning Tenergy 05 Hard for the backhand.  What playing tendencies would most warrant 05 Hard on the backhand and, in contrast, any sense of limitation?

Thanks very much to our great and smart posters!
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Truly excellent and very helpful comments by a number of posters here on Tenergy 05 Hard.  Really very intelligent and sound thoughts expressed.

I am interested in any specific observation concerning Tenergy 05 Hard for the backhand.  What playing tendencies would most warrant 05 Hard on the backhand and, in contrast, any sense of limitation?

Thanks very much to our great and smart posters!

If you are back hand dominant player who has full wing Bh attack effectively, then T05H is ideal for you. T05 normal is too weak for that specific style.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I have been using this rubber for a month. This is the 1st Tenergy that I really like (never was a fan of T05).

My opinions on blade matches with T05 hard
  1. I guess all-wood blades would work well (as the rubber is really powerful)
  2. re: composite ALC blades, I would put this on a blade with a soft outer layer. I find that this rubber works much better with the Zhang Jike ALC than with TB-ALC (to me, generally and at same weights, hardness rankings are as follows: TB-ALC > Viscaria > ZJK-ALC). Short game is excellent with ALC blades & so are opening loops (spinnier than with T05). Loop-loop from mid-distance might require a bit more effort (which, when put in, creates more powerful stroke than with T05).
  3. I would not put this on ZLC blades - would not get good enough dwell on medium-soft strokes (IMHO, ZLC blades (relative to ALC blades) generally offer great dwell on very hard strokes but not so good dwell on medium-soft strokes).
  4. It might work great with boosting (though I have not tried it yet).
I've played on both TB ALC and ZJK ALC and they're the same, koto feels nice with T05H. Agreed to not put on any harder. T05H isn't that much harder to use than T05, but is a lot crispier and faster. On the BH it's a different story but on the FH it's a safe option to use if you have half a good topspin
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Kevin, i see you switched to G-1 on BH. What's the difference with T05? 
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