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    Posted: 10/12/2019 at 8:36am
Hi,

I understand that the speed of well boosted hurricane 3 is equal to modern tensors. But what is the benefit of playing with rubbers like dhs hurricane 3 compared to hard esn rubbers. Does hurricane 3 have more spin and control?Please explain.
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Hurricane is the best rubber in the world at pulling off brush looping with amazing power and speed. It also is exceptional at short spin work. It is nigh on impossible to chop effectively BC of spin sensitivity and it is also harder to smash with.

It basically excels at the shots that are most common currently in table tennis. The downside is you need very highi quality footwork because it only benefits an active stroke
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Best in the service, short game and aggressive 3rd balls off underspin balls. It's terrible at halfhearted or wrist only strokes. It does suck to see people with shitty wrist flick strokes hit with so much power with other rubbers so easily while you actually have to do a proper stroke with good footwork to get anywhere the same amount of power. At the top end I think they are more powerful than the Tenergies though. The hard loops just don't come back pretty much. 


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It´s definitely not for me. I simply don´t have the physical requirements to play with it. Ok, I can do one or two proper shots, but it´s impossible keep doing it along the whole match.

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best feeling when you power drive . Can't say if it is effect in a game for people brought up playing not Chinese 
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After several years of playing with ESN rubbers, I now use Nittaku H3 Pro Blue, no booster.

The biggest advantage of H3 is the low bounce off of the opponent's side with hard loops. My practice partner says it makes defense more difficult for him. The ball diving gives him less time to react. He says I can create more top spin with ESN rubber. However blocking my loops off H3 are more difficult for him. At times the ball just skids. Xu Xin gets many points with his ultra low bouncing loops. I wish I have his skills to do it as often as he does :)

Secondly, I find H3 very good for close to table counter-looping... think Ma Lin.

Thirdly, I am able to loop very short balls with H3 using some wrist action. It grabs the ball nicely with the brush stroke and sends the ball over. Once again, think Ma Lin.

I miss the bounciness of ESN rubbers. The built-in catapult effect makes playing more effortless. However, the low bounces off of the opponent's table with H3 can be additive. I keep going back for more   :)            
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Originally posted by p3v56yahoocom p3v56yahoocom wrote:

After several years of playing with ESN rubbers, I now use Nittaku H3 Pro Blue, no booster.

The biggest advantage of H3 is the low bounce off of the opponent's side with hard loops. My practice partner says it makes defense more difficult for him. The ball diving gives him less time to react. He says I can create more top spin with ESN rubber. However blocking my loops off H3 are more difficult for him. At times the ball just skids. Xu Xin gets many points with his ultra low bouncing loops. I wish I have his skills to do it as often as he does :)

Secondly, I find H3 very good for close to table counter-looping... think Ma Lin.

Thirdly, I am able to loop very short balls with H3 using some wrist action. It grabs the ball nicely with the brush stroke and sends the ball over. Once again, think Ma Lin.

I miss the bounciness of ESN rubbers. The built-in catapult effect makes playing more effortless. However, the low bounces off of the opponent's table with H3 can be additive. I keep going back for more   :)            

I heard H3 Nittaku Blue is super hard. Is that true? How long have you been playing it? I just switched to H3 about 2 months ago. I've tried a couple variations of H3 so far, but not the Nittaku variant. At first I felt they were slow, even when tuned. I understand what you are saying about missing the catapult of ESN/Tenergy. However, once you get used to technique for using H3 and get it on the right blade, they are pretty powerful rubbers. I don't find H3 slow at all anymore, but I don't know if I'd want to play them untuned. 


Edited by ericd937 - 10/12/2019 at 9:56pm
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For me h3 excels in driving/looping backspin... basically opening up against any long push. It is also very easy to control loop heavy chops.

However, in topspin to topspin rallies I prefer euro rubber such as rozena or aurus prime.
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Ikr that low bouncing ball feels so satisfying.
I'm not playing with Chinese rubber but with my current 5 ply all+ and fastarc G-1 I'm able to pull it of often.
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yeah.. the H3 Pro Blue sponge is quite hard... To a lot of people, it's too difficult to play with. To me, it's just right. I wouldn't want to go softer than that. When I loop it hard, I could feel the sponge being compressed and then shoots out the ball. The sponge is hard, but not hard like a brick. It is still elastic.

I'm using my second sheet of H3 Pro Blue. It's getting close to the end of its life. I'd like to put on the third sheet in the near future.

In my opinion, the DHS sponge is not as lively. It requires booster to give it some oomph. The Nittaku sponge, in comparison, is more lively.

My both sheets of H3 Pro Blue were quite slow to begin with. The very top layer of stickiness needs to wear out before you will see the increase in speed. To speed up the break-in period, I use rubber cleaner to repeatedly wipe the rubber over and over and over and over when it is brand new. It helps to remove the very top sticky layer.

Also, when gluing the rubber, only apply a thin coat on the blade and rubber. Do not over-apply and just let the thick coat of glue dry. I feel it picks up more speed by only applying thin coats of glue. I hope it helps.
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Originally posted by p3v56yahoocom p3v56yahoocom wrote:

yeah.. the H3 Pro Blue sponge is quite hard

Does that quite hard has a number to it? H39, H41.5 or ?

Also, are we talking about this product?




Edited by fmarek - 10/14/2019 at 6:12am
ZJK ALC, FH: Sanwei Target National, BH: DHS Skyline 3-60 H37
Viscaria ALC, FH: DHS Hurricane3 H38 deg, BH: DHS Hurricane3 Neo H39
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Online forum says H3 Pro Blue 43 degrees (DHS scale) hardness. I don't think it's actually 43 degrees. I used 40 deg DHS H3 Provincial from ~15 year ago. The Pro Blue is more or less similar to the 40 deg DHS H3 Provincial in sponge hardness if I remember correctly.

Yes, your link shows the product that I am reviewing. It's Nittaku H3 Pro Blue, 2.0 mm blue sponge.
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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Originally posted by p3v56yahoocom p3v56yahoocom wrote:

yeah.. the H3 Pro Blue sponge is quite hard

Does that quite hard has a number to it? H39, H41.5 or ?

Also, are we talking about this product?



I wonder if tenergy sheets  used by CNT will have the same hardness like off the shelf tenergy
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You have to practice for good fitness, good technic, good footwork, to play H3. Those are benefits.
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Chinese rubbers: Best rubbers for attackers with a refined technique, footwork and players with the proper age and fitness that have grown with a proper chinese technique/coaches. Zero tolerance with mistakes or lazy players that prefer an allround game based on controlled loops, blocks and mid distance.  

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Why do I use Hurricane 3? 

First off. There are several version of H3. This complicates things. I first tried the commercial version. And it felt like it was very difficult to use, at the time. So I discarded H3 commercial for myself and kept trying other rubbers as i was developing my technique. I was using T05 on my fh, when a friend suggested trying H3 National Blue sponge. I was skeptical at first due to my earlier experience with the commercial version. So fine, I bought the H3NatBS from him and it was night and day difference from the commercial version. Short game was easy to control. My pushes were low to the net. I had to adjust to the higher level of sensitivity to incoming spin but it is not impossible to adjust. When looping under spin is simply amazing. You can produce industrial quantities of spin with your loops. You can see the ball curving in the air when doing sidespin loops. And sometimes the ball will kick forward as it touches the table surface making it very difficult for you opponent to return your loops. So yeah, I have settled on H3 for these reasons. It's been years now and I'm still happy with it. The Nittakku variant is also excellent! BH rubber is another story. Currently using Battle II.  We'll see if i stay with it, I'm trying a Tibhar Evolution and it's working quite well.

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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

Why do I use Hurricane 3? 

First off. There are several version of H3. This complicates things. I first tried the commercial version. And it felt like it was very difficult to use, at the time. So I discarded H3 commercial for myself and kept trying other rubbers as i was developing my technique. I was using T05 on my fh, when a friend suggested trying H3 National Blue sponge. I was skeptical at first due to my earlier experience with the commercial version. So fine, I bought the H3NatBS from him and it was night and day difference from the commercial version. Short game was easy to control. My pushes were low to the net. I had to adjust to the higher level of sensitivity to incoming spin but it is not impossible to adjust. When looping under spin is simply amazing. You can produce industrial quantities of spin with your loops. You can see the ball curving in the air when doing sidespin loops. And sometimes the ball will kick forward as it touches the table surface making it very difficult for you opponent to return your loops. So yeah, I have settled on H3 for these reasons. It's been years now and I'm still happy with it. The Nittakku variant is also excellent! BH rubber is another story. Currently using Battle II.  We'll see if i stay with it, I'm trying a Tibhar Evolution and it's working quite well.

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Who is your supplier of H3NatBS ? I am playing with commercial but very curious to try other so called "National" versions. H3NatBS, do you boost? What hardness do you buy?
ZJK ALC, FH: Sanwei Target National, BH: DHS Skyline 3-60 H37
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