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    Posted: 11/02/2019 at 7:37am
Hello everyone.
I have seen that there are many version of hurricane 3.
Hurricane 3
Neo hurricane 3
Provincial Hurricane 3
Provincial neo Hurricane 3
Provincial Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
Provincial neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
National Hurricane 3
National neo hurricane 3
National Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
National neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
I would like to play with this rubber but I really don't know which is better for me.
What are the difference between each rubber? I would like to try the provincial version with blue sponge, which is better: neo h3 or h3?
What type do the pros use? The neo national or the national? 
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be sure there is the protective round hologramme (colored sticker) on the
plastic wrapping.
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Neo version is factory tuned so no need to boost when you first use it.
 Blue sponge version is supposed to be better than its corresponding orange sponge version.
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Is the topsheet identical between the neo and regular corresponding counterparts?
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Normal Neo H3. Buy it from your local TT shop.

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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Is the topsheet identical between the neo and regular corresponding counterparts?

No, they are not, h3 is much more tacky
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By definition (ITTF registration number), the top-sheets must have identical specifications (within some tolerances probably)
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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

By definition (ITTF registration number), the top-sheets must have identical specifications (within some tolerances probably)

Yes, but...with DHS quality control there is no telling how much variation one can have with H3 topsheets. I have never had one not tacky, but I am not surprised at significant variation.
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There's also the Nittakku versions that use the DHS Hurricane 3 top sheet. These perform quite well too!

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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Is the topsheet identical between the neo and regular corresponding counterparts?

No, they are not, h3 is much more tacky

I've experienced the same, I've used both recently. 39deg neo and non, both boosted with Haifu Seamoon. 
The non neo is noticeably more tacky, seems to have a lower throw, and feels harder in general. Perhaps its the tackiness making a harder swing necessary? Or the non neo is actually harder?

Curious others experience.
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Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Is the topsheet identical between the neo and regular corresponding counterparts?

No, they are not, h3 is much more tacky

I've experienced the same, I've used both recently. 39deg neo and non, both boosted with Haifu Seamoon. 
The non neo is noticeably more tacky, seems to have a lower throw, and feels harder in general. Perhaps its the tackiness making a harder swing necessary? Or the non neo is actually harder?

Curious others experience.

Yes, H3 is much tackier then H3Neo. Emphasis is on much.
And harder.
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Given both are tacky enough to compensate hardness, it might not matter in practice at all. Also tackier does not necessarily mean better, but it will certainly mean that it is going to dust in quicker... leading to more significant change in tackiness during one training session (until cleaned). Even game 5 will play differently than game 1.

Considering a difference in throw angle most people would go for NEO (it has higher = easier to play). 

While overall tackiness is high in both rubbers it might not be consistent comparing different batches. My observations are 1) Red sheets are more tacky than blacks. 2) Sheets purchased from tt11 are less tacky than from China. So ... talks like which one is more tacky could be misleading. Also tackiness is easily combing back to very high after washing rubber with one drop of liquid hand soap (no joking).

Some thoughts on hardness ...

Both H3 and Neo are labeled using the same hardness scale, hence both can be 2.15mm H39, but my understanding is that NEO is factory tuned. Which means it is artificially softened from unknown to H39, right? Which means before tuning it was harder than H39 ... how hardness will change once NEO factory tuner is gone, is open question. I guess, most people would replace rubber after 2-3 months anyway.

With that in mind price and throw angle are two things to consider, rather than hardness and tackiness when comparing H3N and H3. It is also known that neo is faster due to tuner.


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Originally posted by ultraspin98 ultraspin98 wrote:

Hello everyone.
I have seen that there are many version of hurricane 3.
Hurricane 3
Neo hurricane 3
Provincial Hurricane 3
Provincial neo Hurricane 3
Provincial Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
Provincial neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
National Hurricane 3
National neo hurricane 3
National Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
National neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge
I would like to play with this rubber but I really don't know which is better for me.
What are the difference between each rubber? I would like to try the provincial version with blue sponge, which is better: neo h3 or h3?
What type do the pros use? The neo national or the national? 

Yeah that's going to be an exciting journey for you :) Dont change too often, choose some and stick to it for a while. I am not sure if you will find "National neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge". Provincial level is most optimal to start with, because commercials are not so easy to play with.
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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Yeah that's going to be an exciting journey for you :) Dont change too often, choose some and stick to it for a while. I am not sure if you will find "National neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge". Provincial level is most optimal to start with, because commercials are not so easy to play with.

yes you are right, in fact I decided to buy provincial neo h3 Blue sponge.
Do you know any website where I can find it?
I saw that ttnpp has this rubber, do you think it is legit?

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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

By definition (ITTF registration number), the top-sheets must have identical specifications (within some tolerances probably)

This is a rule, but it's not enforced. I can't recall a time when it was.

For example, look at the variety of 729 topsheets produced under the same name or registration number.

If you rewind 10+ years, you'll see that the 729 FX EL and 729 Super FX use the same markings on the topsheet. The former is nontacky and the latter is PF4 tacky. 



Edited by icontek - 11/05/2019 at 8:52pm
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Originally posted by ultraspin98 ultraspin98 wrote:

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Yeah that's going to be an exciting journey for you :) Dont change too often, choose some and stick to it for a while. I am not sure if you will find "National neo Hurricane 3 Blue sponge". Provincial level is most optimal to start with, because commercials are not so easy to play with.

yes you are right, in fact I decided to buy provincial neo h3 Blue sponge.
Do you know any website where I can find it?
I saw that ttnpp has this rubber, do you think it is legit?


There is always some risk, you have to decide by yourself. However, commercial level are really legit and cheap. Maybe it is good enough for hobby? :)
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

By definition (ITTF registration number), the top-sheets must have identical specifications (within some tolerances probably)

This is a rule, but it's not enforced. I can't recall a time when it was.

For example, look at the variety of 729 topsheets produced under the same name or registration number.

If you rewind 10+ years, you'll see that the 729 FX EL and 729 Super FX use the same markings on the topsheet. The former is nontacky and the latter is PF4 tacky. 


This is really disturbing if true. Why is ITTF pretending to have rules and a LARC list if it is not enforced? 
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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

By definition (ITTF registration number), the top-sheets must have identical specifications (within some tolerances probably)

This is a rule, but it's not enforced. I can't recall a time when it was.

For example, look at the variety of 729 topsheets produced under the same name or registration number.

If you rewind 10+ years, you'll see that the 729 FX EL and 729 Super FX use the same markings on the topsheet. The former is nontacky and the latter is PF4 tacky. 


This is really disturbing if true. Why is ITTF pretending to have rules and a LARC list if it is not enforced? 


I don't know.

I suspect that the 729 issues predate the registration number, and that those numbers were added to make sure that each rubber manufacturer was paying it's annual "certification" to the ITTF for each rubber topsheet. 

But as to why 24-108 is so different on Neo, non Neo, Provincial, National etc, you'll have to ask the manufacturers.
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