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    Posted: 11/03/2019 at 6:28pm
Lebesson is a soft rubber player (FX-P on FH, 40 hardness; BH is also soft). Somehow he manages to reach Belarus finals only to face an alleged hard rubber player Yukiya Uda (Tenergy 05 Hard on both sides, presumably). Watch what happens next:

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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Lebesson is a soft rubber player (FX-P on FH, 40 hardness; BH is also soft). Somehow he manages to reach Belarus finals only to face an alleged hard rubber player Yukiya Uda (Tenergy 05 Hard on both sides, presumably). Watch what happens next:

He also is a 5 ply all wood blade with OFF minus speed.  Shame on him.
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I think experience talks but strategically, Uda's game is better and he missed so many things he is not suppose to at his level. I think Uda was just bothered by French weirdness and he would prevail after playing Lebesson a couple times more. BTW I am French and I like Lebesson a lot for his serve, 3rd ball and quick attacks despite his tall size.

Is the idea in the OP underlining that we underestimate the reachable greatness with soft rubbers at the highest level?
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pros players use rubbers for sponsor to push sales. The rubber he is using might be soft commercially but he is using ones that's several degree harder specially designed for him.
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I think experience talks but strategically, Uda's game is better and he missed so many things he is not suppose to at his level. I think Uda was just bothered by French weirdness and he would prevail after playing Lebesson a couple times more. BTW I am French and I like Lebesson a lot for his serve, 3rd ball and quick attacks despite his tall size.

Is the idea in the OP underlining that we underestimate the reachable greatness with soft rubbers at the highest level?

Let's remember that Lebesson also eliminated Xu Yingbin in the semis.  One of the best match points of the year. 
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Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

pros players use rubbers for sponsor to push sales. The rubber he is using might be soft commercially but he is using ones that's several degree harder specially designed for him.


is the tenergy05hard harder then normal?
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Isn't the fx-p just an mx-p with a softer sponge? So even if he does have a special pro player version rubber, at the most the sponge hardness should be  around 43-45 deg, or else even tibhar would ask him to just use an mx-p. 
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his serves totally illegal
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Originally posted by bars bars wrote:

Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

pros players use rubbers for sponsor to push sales. The rubber he is using might be soft commercially but he is using ones that's several degree harder specially designed for him.


is the tenergy05hard harder then normal?



Of course 05 Hard is harder than the regular 05; that's why it's called 05 Hard (36° vs 43° on japanese scale is a very noticible difference).

Also, hunkeelin is correct in his assumption, at least in regards to Lebesson...
On a german forum, the owner of this very forum (who also happens to have a store and very close ties to Tibhar and who is also a professional coach!) would occasionally talk about the rubbers which the pros use.
As for the Evo rubbers: There are more versions available for the sponsored players than commercially available for us. Those rubbers are, as hunkeelin mentioned, specifically designed to fit the needs of the sponsored player, and therefore not really have a specific price tag.
I do remember that he (the owner of this forum) mentioned that Lebesson uses very hard versions of the FX-P (around 45° ESN scale). Now, FX-P and MX-P of course use the same topsheet, so these hard FX-Ps are essentially soft MX-Ps (although they do have FX-P printed on them).
Mind you, that the owner provides very reliable information and is pretty much known as a non-nonsense guy in the scene.


Edited by Skynet - 11/04/2019 at 11:20am
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Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Originally posted by bars bars wrote:

Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

pros players use rubbers for sponsor to push sales. The rubber he is using might be soft commercially but he is using ones that's several degree harder specially designed for him.


is the tenergy05hard harder then normal?



Of course 05 Hard is harder than the regular 05; that's why it's called 05 Hard (36° vs 43° on japanese scale is a very noticible difference).

Also, hunkeelin is correct in his assumption, at least in regards to Lebesson...
On a german forum, the owner of this very forum (who also happens to have a store and very close ties to Tibhar and who is also a professional coach!) would occasionally talk about the rubbers which the pros use.
As for the Evo rubbers: There are more versions available for the sponsored players than commercially available for us. Those rubbers are, as hunkeelin mentioned, specifically designed to fit the needs of the sponsored player, and therefore not really have a specific price tag.
I do remember that he (the owner of this forum) mentioned that Lebesson uses very hard versions of the FX-P (around 45° ESN scale). Now, FX-P and MX-P of course use the same topsheet, so these hard FX-Ps are essentially soft MX-Ps (although they do have FX-P printed on them).
Mind you, that the owner provides very reliable information and is pretty much known as a non-nonsense guy in the scene.

What s the name of the forum?
guess that the rubbers must be paired with a flexy blade
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Originally posted by bars bars wrote:

Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

pros players use rubbers for sponsor to push sales. The rubber he is using might be soft commercially but he is using ones that's several degree harder specially designed for him.


is the tenergy05hard harder then normal?



Of course 05 Hard is harder than the regular 05; that's why it's called 05 Hard (36° vs 43° on japanese scale is a very noticible difference).

Also, hunkeelin is correct in his assumption, at least in regards to Lebesson...
On a german forum, the owner of this very forum (who also happens to have a store and very close ties to Tibhar and who is also a professional coach!) would occasionally talk about the rubbers which the pros use.
As for the Evo rubbers: There are more versions available for the sponsored players than commercially available for us. Those rubbers are, as hunkeelin mentioned, specifically designed to fit the needs of the sponsored player, and therefore not really have a specific price tag.
I do remember that he (the owner of this forum) mentioned that Lebesson uses very hard versions of the FX-P (around 45° ESN scale). Now, FX-P and MX-P of course use the same topsheet, so these hard FX-Ps are essentially soft MX-Ps (although they do have FX-P printed on them).
Mind you, that the owner provides very reliable information and is pretty much known as a non-nonsense guy in the scene.

What s the name of the forum?
guess that the rubbers must be paired with a flexy blade


The forum is called "forum tt-news".

Here is a link to the specific thread

Just google translate the last few paragraphs of #61

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