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Lee Sangsu Wins Korean Olympic Trials |
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blahness ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10/18/2009 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 4141 |
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Nearly made it to the finals too! Match against Falck could have gone either way easily.
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balldance ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/28/2009 Status: Offline Points: 218 |
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I’d like to see AJH play too. But KTTA may prefer LSS because he is higher ranked and thus better for seeding. AJH is still young and he needs to improve to be the undisputed choice. Btw, where Jeong Sangeun? Haven’t seen him playing recently.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7055 |
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Last I checked, Jeong Sangeun failed to the make national A-team in 2019. Will need to check what happened for 2020.
Back after a quick look. The national team selection above was for 2019-2020. http://www.koreatta.or.kr/servlets/org/front/board/action/board?command=CONTENT&listcount=10&curpage=25&orderby=&direction=&board=notice&board_seq=8945&b_cate=&b_search=
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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BeaverMD ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/09/2007 Location: Maryland, USA Status: Offline Points: 1814 |
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Did he really say this? Like most, I was rooting for AJH. He is the stronger player. But, how did he let himself be upset twice in the first round? If I was his coach, I would have been chewing him out. I would have said after the first upset look, you gotta be dialed to 11. The Worlds is the pinnacle of table tennis but the OG is the pinnacle of all sports. Next opportunity is another 4 years when you are 25 y/o. The other guys are coming up too. After 2024, you’ll be 29 for the next one and need to do military service. I feel he has no one to blame for him missing the singles except himself. In the next RR, he dispatched Cho in a business-like manner so it was not like he was not capable in the first round. Jae Hyun needs to stop talking before someone decides to put Youngsik in that third team spot.
I had very high hopes for Sangsu a few years ago but he’s just too predictable. Now that I've written that, watch him win a bronze in MS and I’ll have to eat crow :)
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7055 |
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No, he didn't. There's so little reporting that I had to make it up just to show how ridiculous it sounds and how the KTTA doesn't go by the book, at least the rules that they've published online.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7055 |
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Below is a list of all the bulletins that have to do with the final trial on the KTTA official site. The ones of interest here are 886 and 894. IIRC, 894 was about the 1st selection but they changed it to the final selection 1 and 2 and so the incomplete score sheet of the 1st selection was replaced by those of the final selection 1 and 2.
http://www.koreatta.or.kr/servlets/org/front/board/action/board?command=&listcount=10&orderby=&direction=&curpage=1
No. Title Attachment Registrar Registered Date Hits 898 [Emergency] 2020 Tokyo Olympics National Team Selection Guide to Adjustment of Competition Schedule of Final Selection 2, Admin, 2021/02/04, 1487 895 2020 Tokyo Olympics National Team Selection Broadcast Video Copyright Information, Admin, 2021/02/01, 877 894 2020 Tokyo Olympics National team final selection (1st~2nd round) Match result information, Attachment, Admin, 2021/01/31, 2356 893 2020 Tokyo Olympics National Team Final Selection (1st) Table Allocation Table Information, Attachment, Admin, 2021/01/29, 1398 892 2020 Tokyo Olympics National team selection YouTube x Afreeca TV broadcast information (1st Wednesday.., Attachment, Admin, 2021/01/28, 3586 890 2020 Tokyo Olympics National Team Selection Guideline for COVID-19 Prevention, Attachment, Admin, 2021/01/25, 355 887 2020 Tokyo Olympics National Team Selection Accommodation Information, Admin, 2021/01/20, 408 886 2020 Tokyo Olympics National Team Selection Guide, Attachment, Admin, 2021/01/20, 1122 Below is an excerpt of the rules on the round-robin from bulletin 886 above, specifically the pdf file " [붙임 1] 2020 도쿄올림픽 파견 국가대표 선발전 요강(안).pdf" or "[Attachment 1] Summary of National Team Selection Dispatched for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics (draft).pdf".
... 3. Competition-related management ... G. The ranking of the round-robin is determined by the following methods: 1) Based on the winning points system (2 points for a win, 1 point for a loss, 0 points for a forfeit), the winning points of players of each group will determine the ranking in descending order 2) In case of a tie - When 2 players are tied, the ranking is determined based on their match result(head-to-head) - When 3 or more players are tied, the individual matches, games, and points scored are applied in such order until the final ranking is determined H. Matters not specified in the competition guidelines shall be in accordance with the regulations of the International Table Tennis Federation and the Korea Table Tennis Association. Edited by zeio - 02/11/2021 at 7:39am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7055 |
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They did follow what's stated above for the single round-robin in the 1st selection. But for the double round-robins in the final selection 1 and 2, below is what we got according to the news:
1st LSS 5 pts(3W1L) and 4 pts(3W1L), 9 pts in total 2nd AJH 4 pts(2W2L) and 5 pts(4W0L), 8 pts in total 3rd 4th 5th 1st LZO 6 pts(4W1L) and ? pts(1W4L) due to toe injury 2nd SYB 5 pts(4W1L) and 6 pts(5W0L), 11 pts in total 3rd CHJ 9 pts in total 4th 5th YHE 6th SHW However, even in the score sheets for the final selection 1 and 2 from bulletin 894, which they've finally updated/uploaded weeks later, it's not indicated/explained/elaborated how they arrived at those mysterious points. Edited by zeio - 02/11/2021 at 6:14am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Basquests ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 08/29/2016 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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I don't like this post much at all. The other two players are very talented, and pushed LSS / JYS as well. I'm sure AJH was dialed in and trying hard, I'm sure he has trained plenty with his teammates, which means they have the confidence and intimate knowledge on how to play him. He does too, but often times for a slightly stronger player, this additional knowledge is less beneficial. The weaker player can suddenly navigate the game a lot better, whereas the stronger players multiple advantages are blunted. Pressure and circumstance is incredible. I'm sure you've been upset many a time, against players you are much stronger than. AJH is not levels beyond the #4 and #5 male player in Korea in terms of his playing level, although he might be in talent, so whilst he's capable of dispatching them, they too are capable of beating him. Roger Federer himself has almost 300 professional tour singles losses, the vast majority being to players who are nowhere near as talented..and upsets often come together. You can lose confidence or rhythm or focus, and it can be challenging to reset. He might be a lot more talented that Wawrinka, but if Wawrinka is on Stanimal mode, he would be the favourite [except on Clay against Nadal]. In our amateur matches, a stronger player tends to be stronger in almost all facets of the games, and to a significant extent - better serves, technique, rallying ability, experience, footwork, conditioning, service receive. They tend to be a lot stronger. When its the top 5 or 6 Korean players, or #2 to #6 or whatever, you aren't going to have huge advantages everywhere, and will likely have disadvantages in some areas. That's why it was pretty funny seeing 'buff looper' because the guy was exceptionally physically talented, with good ability on some FH timings, but was pretty weak everywhere else. He lives and dies in matches, by how often and well he can leverage that. In the Pro scene, you don't see that slanted a skillset. A coach reminding you of the importance of the match in a long spiel, reminding you of your military service, could potentially lead to a loss of focus or anxiety. Being somewhat dispassionate on the table is the key to playing close to your level in training - not elevating the stage. We've seen many Olympic finals where the average point is pretty crap for the players playing - too much anxiety. It's a terrible idea. Motivate rather than terrify. We know what the stakes are, and actively try to avoid thinking about them. I don't want to doubt a Pro's professionalism without some evidence or reason, let alone on such an important stage for them, I think its pretty disrespectful to think a pro 'let himself get upset' without some evidence. AJH had a fantastic trial against fantastic players. He managed to heavily overperform in the 4 toughest matches [4-0] but s underperform in the slightly easier matches. I think the mean expectation going in for AJH, LSS and JYS would've been 50% against each other [2-2] as they are all roughly evenly matched, and probably winning around 80% of the time against the weaker 2. That translates to around 2-2 and then 3-1. So its not crazy in a small sample to go 4-0 and 2-2, just like LSS and JYS's results weren't crazy either way..it's pro sports, the edges are small, your opponents know how to play well and push advantages, and if you are at 80% for any physical or mental reason, you could lose to anyone. Again, my focus against good players is simply to leverage serving a variety of high quality serves, and exploit their service with good receives. Winning 70-75% of your service points and 40-60% of their service points means you almost never have to complain about luck etc. It works very well, but having that level of advantage is impossible to attain against high level pros, especially if you train with them.
Edited by Basquests - 02/11/2021 at 8:21am |
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