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    Posted: 02/17/2021 at 6:17am
The title says it all. I believe Butterfly Pros who were especially using Tenergy 05  playing better against Chinese Players when the plastic ball era began and it resulted with;
- Dimitrij Ovtcharov( he was at Donic but using Tenergy rubbers) being number 1 and winner of 2017 World Tour. 
- Timo Boll making a career resurgance ,ranked in Top 5 and had a 2017 World Tour Final Match against Dima
- Tomokazu Harimoto beating records on being youngest World Tour and Finals winner. He was using Tenergy 64 and 80 rubbers. His key aspect was playing close to table using fast and consistent strokes.

The plastic ball era made ball play less spinny and slower. On this occasion stroking the ball and playing close to the table became more convenient. This situation made some of the pro players who were using tensor rubbers gaining more advantage against sticky chinese rubbers on fast play. Of course Chinese players were still dominant, but their dominance was not based on their equipment. It was based on their frequent training and footwork. 
Later on manifactures began to release new hard grippy rubbers to regain the spinny play without losing much speed that is lost in plastic ball era. Butterfly released their newly rubbers Dignics series. Many pros started to use Dignics 05, but eventually even for pro players Dignics 05's hardness and required movement to increase spin werent quite easy and responsive on forehand in match play. Therefore Butterfly released Dignics 09c which is a rubber with spring sponge x with a sticky topsheet. Currently many Butterfly pros switched to it from their D05 or T05 which actually enjoy using them. Dima and Boll admitted they were more comfortable on strokes and their topspins. But the thing is they were not successful enough against Chinese players like they were in 2016-2017. Because I believe they still suffer lack of speed which T05 provided with that kicking effect. Dima in his video with Dan explained the difference of T05 and D09c, which are;
-D09c becomes faster when the ball goes away from the table. The ball is slower due to high amount of spin coming on the table at first.
-T05 is faster on the table due to kick effect but lose its speed away from the table.

​​​​​​These statements actually made me think in professional stage looping spinny balls are absolutely  more important to be able to stay on the rally. I see this method currently as a reproduction of celluloid ball era though it may not faster as before but can be spinny. But imitating current Chinese style not only requires having the same equipment but also requires same quality and amount of training and footwork which I believe currently can be defeated only with more speed and unexpected strokes which were reliable methods when using T05. Both D05 and D09c require more body movement thus making the oncoming ball more predictable to Chinese players. So that's it that is my opinion. Hope you read it all and want to see your comments. Best regards.

Edited by TTOmar - 02/17/2021 at 6:18am
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The rankings in early 2018 had nothing to do with Tenergy it was because ITTF changed the ranking system and gifted Timo and Dima # 1 spots . Timo had been # 1 previously with and without T05 so it’s not the equipment in his case. I don’t know if Dignics is better or worse but probably depends on the player.  Timo and Dima wouldn’t change if T05 was better for their game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Basquests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/17/2021 at 9:29am
Dima has fallen off a cliff, if it was so simple as being due to dignics, i'm sure he'd go back to tenergy.

Timo is timeless, but the Chinese are simply better. 

The rankings then were a function of the ranking system being different, Chinese players not being super active, and Boll/Dima playing amazing table tennis [for them].
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The initial posting in this thread is an exceptionally insightful synopsis of the near-term history of high end offensive rubbers.  Of potential supplemental value are extrapolated observations of the elements of the trends manifested in the commercial rubber lines being injected into the rubber marketplace by the major manufacturers.

At the highest end of the sport, the standard of play is rising.  This necessitates greater and greater technical demands in concert with equipment that is complementary in support of these technical requirements.  

Today, a primary need for the player is greater control over the actions of the equipment used.  This need is in direct contrast to the motivation of the seminal Tenergy "catapult" effect, well implied in the "spring sponge" phrase used by Butterfly.  This technology supports an energy buildup in the ball-to-sponge contact that propels the ball outwardly disproportionally greater than the racket speed employed.  The term "non-linear" expresses well this lack of equivalency between the player's stroke effort and the resulting ball speed.

An antidote to the disproportionality phenomenon is a harder sponge.  This building-momentum trend is unmistakable.  Many examples among the major manufacturers may be easily cited.

At the highest level of play, explosiveness is paramount and reigns supreme.  Satisfying this play-dynamic demand is shifting from the equipment to the player's techniques, employing the more linear materials.  Shot output is player exertion dependent.

[An accommodation to this trend is the growing popularity of moving the carbon ply in the faster professional blades to a location in the blade that retains some of the benefits carbon provides yet decreases the carbon speed factor.]

In parallel, close to mandatory for the highest level offensive play is a stickier/grippier/tackier top sheet.  [Most students who have provided thoughts here attribute the motivation to the evolution of the ball, both the ball's increased size and the type of material used to make the ball.]  The equipment manufactures' response to this principle has been outstanding and very consistent.  One major manifestation comes from Butterfly in its Dignics products.

One interesting concession from Butterfly relevant to this discussion is Tenergy 19, a rubber sheet that (apparently) both diminishes the initial theme of Tenergy 05 and contributes to the rubber attribute trends cited above.

Given the valid assumption of equipment regulation stability, the high end offensive rubber trends will continue into the foreseeable future.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BauerPower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/19/2021 at 2:52pm
Didn’t Dima beat FZD within the first month of being sponsored by Butterfly and switching to D09c?

Edited by BauerPower - 02/19/2021 at 2:52pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Odie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/20/2021 at 9:47pm
He did. And then got destroyed, as usual, by Ma Long.
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