WTTC Finals 2022, Chengdu, 9/30-10/9

https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/37708
Watanabe looks back on WTTC Finals 2022:
Hayata started feeling pain in her playing arm in the match against Uzbekistan;
He expected France(because of Yuan Jia Nan) instead of Slovakia in the QF;
Kihara was designated as the 3rd singles player, with Nagasaki as backup;
Hayata wanted to play in the final and was in the lineup the day before, but he didn't want to aggravate the injury and benched her;
They were stimulated by Harimoto and wanted to keep it going but CNT was impeccable;
With Hayata out, Ito told him "leave it to me. Let's do it." Despite being visibly disturbed by the unforced errors in the group, she got used to the ball and went into the final with confidence;
Even though Ito didn't play bad against WMY, she still couldn't win, therefore something must change, or something must be added;
In response to Konno[interviewer] citing Mizutani's comment that service and receive are the keys, that Ito uses reverse spin only when serving and should add gyro spin and pendulum spin, and should anticipate long serve when receiving, Watanabe says SYS also loses playing that way;
He expects CM to play Paris 2024 because she is treated as the trump card here;
On world class women's table tennis, Europe is so lonely. It feels to have always been in a slump. Unlike WTT, WTTC is an authoritative tournament. Other than China and Japan, perhaps the rest of the world is decreasing in level;
On Kihara and Nagasaki experiencing WTTC, Watanabe says it reaffirms that WTTC is a tournament that carries a lot of weight, unlike WTT individual events. He hopes the two of them can make good use of the invaluable experience gained from playing against China in the final next time. He thinks more Miwa Harimoto will appear in Japan in the foreseeable future, but it is important to experience the world in order to keep the players uninterrupted. He stresses that "defeat China" must be realized.

Edited by zeio - 11/02/2022 at 2:24pm

Overall, I think most members in the forum are polite and considerate. A couple might have a little bigger "ego" than the rest, but still not out of the line.  Don't see that the mod needs to do anything here.

zeio wrote: It's amusing how the mods keep telling members to move on, yet decide to keep this thread going the wrong way. One last response. Again, I have no problem with name-calling if it pushes the discussion forward, which I've been subjected to for years. Nextlevel's case, however, is different. Unlike I, jackwong23, tom, et al., who are peers, you're not. You're in a position of power. At your discretion, you could wield the ban hammer to stop other members. Where were the other mods to rein you in? Is it right to assume the mods won't act unless someone hits that report button? If true, I'll no longer refrain from hitting that button in the future. Be warned. How is that any different from passive-aggression? How does that improve the sense of community if that's how we operate when divided? Baal has admitted on multiple occasions that he spends more time on his other hobby(and likes to quote "harden the *bleep* up"). Is he even fit to serve as mod, for lack of motivation? Should he not keep himself to "For Sale" as he's not even listed under "General"? Should I just quote "harden the *bleep* up"? I fixed the ailing forum once without any remuneration. Can't wait to see those who hit that report button to contribute to MyTT in a more concrete way.

Edited by NextLevel - 10/12/2022 at 10:18am

BRS wrote: It seems like there is a really simple solution that could work for everyone.    I understand for some of the best posters that it isn't fun providing interesting content on the forum unless you can argue and talk shit to each other.  But that is really tedious and boring for those of us who only want the TT content.  Why can't you insult each other and argue in PMs?  Take it outside, in effect?

It seems like there is a really simple solution that could work for everyone.   

It's amusing how the mods keep telling members to move on, yet decide to keep this thread going the wrong way. One last response.

Again, I have no problem with name-calling if it pushes the discussion forward, which I've been subjected to for years. Nextlevel's case, however, is different. Unlike I, jackwong23, tom, et al., who are peers, you're not. You're in a position of power. At your discretion, you could wield the ban hammer to stop other members. Where were the other mods to rein you in? Is it right to assume the mods won't act unless someone hits that report button? If true, I'll no longer refrain from hitting that button in the future. Be warned. How is that any different from passive-aggression? How does that improve the sense of community if that's how we operate when divided?

Baal has admitted on multiple occasions that he spends more time on his other hobby(and likes to quote "harden the *bleep* up"). Is he even fit to serve as mod, for lack of motivation? Should he not keep himself to "For Sale" as he's not even listed under "General"? Should I just quote "harden the *bleep* up"?

I fixed the ailing forum once without any remuneration. Can't wait to see those who hit that report button to contribute to MyTT in a more concrete way.

Edited by zeio - 10/12/2022 at 5:32am

I'm mostly a passive reader and for all the insights your posts provide, zeio, I do find the quips tedious.

It's absolutely amazing that you're willing to dig out 10 year-old comments at the bottom of MyTT or other Chinese online community sources and document every single one of your quotes and posts, but doing so to send snarky comments is not only not worth the effort, it's actively detrimental.

in the past I used to be a lot more proactive in stepping in to stop flame wars. There were some former members who were almost always contentious, legends of trolling, and we had to rein in a few of them so many times that they eventually quit (or we permanently banned them,). But at some point I started to wonder whether moderating so actively was actually having the effect of sucking the life out of the forum. So I've personally tended to let things boil and die down organically.   

bard romance wrote: Tom, you have been throwing gas on the zeio/JW fire for years on repeated occasions, and everyone knows it including yourself. No need to feign innocence now. Just move on from it and get better.

no feigning of any kind. I express my opinion.  Bard you are not a saint yourself so why the hypocrisy and unwarranted moral superiority?  

Edited by tom - 10/11/2022 at 2:32pm

tom wrote: NextLevel wrote: tom wrote: NextLevel wrote: tom wrote: NextLevel wrote: tom wrote: hope what happened on this thread won't make the forum traffic even less than the current low level From a benefit cost standpoint, if we can stop reading mostly tom calling jackwong23 amberheard23, we will accept it.  We would like to believe that most of the valued contributors can post without a return to such antics, and anyone who frequents the major TT webforums won't find mytt at a major disadvantage in terms of quality contributions. not taking what you said seriously and not demanding you trace its origins, I don't know how amberheard23 came about but it seemed funny and joked around with it.  Just to set things straight. Thankfully, you admitted to using the amberheard23 pejorative and hopefully you have accepted that you will stop.  Many people who didn't originate it never used it, so the choice to use it repeatedly was deliberate.  I am hoping that these posts are part of a good faith reset on your part. how do I know if he had not posted as amberheard23 and that is how this banter came about?  When you saw that it was against the forum rules you could have informed me instead of using it as a retort on what I just said about the forum traffic.  BTW I said that not with me in mind as I am only a casual user.  I was thinking more about Zeio. Everyone signed the forum rules when they joined the website and everyone tends to know when they are violating the forum rules, the truth is that we moderators tend to exercise wide discretion when enforcing forum rules for reasons including some of those you have given.  Zeio is pretending that the wide discretion was some attempt to give myself favoritism and you are now arguing that you didn't know you were violating forum rules because you were not informed.  Like I have said already, I hope this is all in good faith.  Your defense of zeio is acknowledged.  I honestly would prefer to moderate less, but it gets harder when we all claim righteousness rather than finding areas of mutual agreements.  We will see how it all works out. I am not trying to defend outright insults, like idiot or moron (or Amberheard if it came about without cause).  I want to remind the forum that many users here prefer it over TTD because of the wider discretion given.

pongfugrasshopper wrote: I'm glad the forum is getting cleaned up.  Things had been festering for years, and the forum rules had become a bit of a joke.  I sometimes find myself refraining from posting because although someone may have had an interesting point I wanted to respond to, it was in the middle of their flame war so I chose not to.  All of the toxicity was taking the fun out of the forum.  And ultiimately, that's what I hope to get from the forum: fun and interesting discussion.

Edited by NextLevel - 10/11/2022 at 1:04pm

I'm glad the forum is getting cleaned up.  Things had been festering for years, and the forum rules had become a bit of a joke.  I sometimes find myself refraining from posting because although someone may have had an interesting point I wanted to respond to, it was in the middle of their flame war so I chose not to.  All of the toxicity was taking the fun out of the forum.  And ultiimately, that's what I hope to get from the forum: fun and interesting discussion.

tom wrote: NextLevel wrote: tom wrote: hope what happened on this thread won't make the forum traffic even less than the current low level From a benefit cost standpoint, if we can stop reading mostly tom calling jackwong23 amberheard23, we will accept it.  We would like to believe that most of the valued contributors can post without a return to such antics, and anyone who frequents the major TT webforums won't find mytt at a major disadvantage in terms of quality contributions. not taking what you said seriously and not demanding you trace its origins, I don't know how amberheard23 came about but it seemed funny and joked around with it.  Just to set things straight.

zeio wrote: tom wrote: hope what happened on this thread won't make the forum traffic even less than the current low level Have faith. There's no shortage of people who hit the report button just because they can't be bothered to do some more scrolling for the biggest team tournament in 4 years, when there is little scrolling on TTD, which is just a few clicks away?

tom wrote: hope what happened on this thread won't make the forum traffic even less than the current low level