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    Posted: 12/20/2015 at 3:24am
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I bought a few Hurricane 3 Neo (provincial blue sponge and normal orange sponge versions), I use Haifu Seamoon to tune them.
I broke 3 of them in 2 months, the last one had only 1 week.
There is always a bubble appearing in the center of the sheet when playing, because of broken pimples between sponge and rubber.
Is it a known problem of tuned H3 ? Confused

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You are putting too much booster too soon. Try and apply the booster after waiting for more time and apply an extra layer of glue after the first booster layer.
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Are you sure the pimple are breaking? It's far more likely for the topsheet to become dislodged from the sponge, as the booster weakens to glue bond, which also forms a bubble.


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Ususally there are 2 ways for thg H3 to bubble after boosting.

1. Is you have applied way too much booster weakening the glue bond between the top sheet and the sponge.

2. You tend to hit the ball in a 1 to 2 inch area of the rubber with every stroke you take which is hard to do unless you are a 2400 plus player. 

I would guess reason 1 and take it easy when applying booster. Use very thin layers. Smile
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Had several provincials broken after 1 or 2 weeks (tuned with 2 thin layers FTL on glue layer). The topsheet gets detached very fast when doing counterlooping...
Try national non-neo orange, the glue bond between topsheet and sponge is far better. Neverless it can/will break after several weeks. (for me 50% after 2 months)
When boosting, try to let the doom come down for at least 2 weeks, so that the topsheet is not streched so much when gluing down to the blade.
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I cut the topsheet to see what's inside,
Pimples are really broken as you can see on picture below.
If I remove the broken pips, the rubber almost becomes flat again.



I will try to put less layers.
Do you add water-based glue layer between each booster layers ?

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Wow!
Perhaps the Booster makes the rubber more brittle.Shocked
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Yeah I am pretty much done with DHS rubbers. Like the stuff but I've never had one of their rubbers not bubble on me. Not even boosting.

Gluing with rubber cement. Don't do it. Boosting? Yeah I'd probably be scared to death to try that also.

H2, H3, H3 Neo. All bubbled.

Every other non tuned Chinese rubber i've glued with rubbre cement? No problems.


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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Yeah I am pretty much done with DHS rubbers. Like the stuff but I've never had one of their rubbers not bubble on me. Not even boosting.

Gluing with rubber cement. Don't do it. Boosting? Yeah I'd probably be scared to death to try that also.

H2, H3, H3 Neo. All bubbled.

Every other non tuned Chinese rubber i've glued with rubbre cement? No problems.


I never had this problem a single time. I always use Nittaku DHS H3 Neo purchased from tt-japan though there are a couple other online shops in Japan where you can buy it and tt11 offers it too. I use rubber cement as well.
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probably boosting too much, too often. h3 is pretty tough. if you're seeing bubbling, that's a sign of overboosting. how much they're able to handle boosting depends on the quality.

though provincials should be able to be boosted a decent amount, purchased ones aren't as good quality. after i used up the ones I acquired from CNT players, i tried buying some online but had topsheet separation with at least 45% of them and ended up searching for a fh replacement.


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kurokami, If I'm not mistaken,on TTDB; you had commented on Nittaku fastarc g1 as the closest alternative to prov h3.
I would be grateful if you can kindly speak about the level of tack compared to Xiom rubbers. for example; omega v pro or omega iv pro, or sigma 2 pro.  
omega V asia topsheet is too soft. I doubt you would even consider trying it.


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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

kurokami, If I'm not mistaken,on TTDB; you had commented on Nittaku fastarc g1 as the closest alternative to prov h3.
I would be grateful if you can kindly speak about the level of tack compared to Xiom rubbers. for example; omega v pro or omega iv pro, or sigma 2 pro.  
omega V asia topsheet is too soft. I doubt you would even consider trying it.

I have tried all of those Xiom rubbers before besides OVA. i'd consider those to be pure mechanical and compare those more to tenergy than to hurricane. 

G-1 is not very tacky either. feel-wise, the topsheet is quite grippy but it's still ESN. The feeling is different. It just behaves more like a hurricane with the types of shots and amt of spin you can create. It is my preferred alternative thus far bc of reliable quality, predictable performance, simplicity in not requiring boosting, and more availability. 





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Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

kurokami, If I'm not mistaken,on TTDB; you had commented on Nittaku fastarc g1 as the closest alternative to prov h3.
I would be grateful if you can kindly speak about the level of tack compared to Xiom rubbers. for example; omega v pro or omega iv pro, or sigma 2 pro.  
omega V asia topsheet is too soft. I doubt you would even consider trying it.

I have tried all of those Xiom rubbers before besides OVA. i'd consider those to be pure mechanical and compare those more to tenergy than to hurricane. 

G-1 is not very tacky either. feel-wise, the topsheet is quite grippy but it's still ESN. The feeling is different. It just behaves more like a hurricane with the types of shots and amt of spin you can create. It is my preferred alternative thus far bc of reliable quality, predictable performance, simplicity in not requiring boosting, and more availability. 




See I knew that you wouldn't try it. It's the worst thing I have tried from xiom. It spins fine but the feel is trashy. 
Ah I was hoping G-1 was tacky :*( . And the search continues :/   maybe coles custom air scirocco will be the answer. still about 2 months left till he gets back his new stock with tacky topsheets like for how he asked them to be.




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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

kurokami, If I'm not mistaken,on TTDB; you had commented on Nittaku fastarc g1 as the closest alternative to prov h3.
I would be grateful if you can kindly speak about the level of tack compared to Xiom rubbers. for example; omega v pro or omega iv pro, or sigma 2 pro.  
omega V asia topsheet is too soft. I doubt you would even consider trying it.

I have tried all of those Xiom rubbers before besides OVA. i'd consider those to be pure mechanical and compare those more to tenergy than to hurricane. 

G-1 is not very tacky either. feel-wise, the topsheet is quite grippy but it's still ESN. The feeling is different. It just behaves more like a hurricane with the types of shots and amt of spin you can create. It is my preferred alternative thus far bc of reliable quality, predictable performance, simplicity in not requiring boosting, and more availability. 




See I knew that you wouldn't try it. It's the worst thing I have tried from xiom. It spins fine but the feel is trashy. 
Ah I was hoping G-1 was tacky :*( . And the search continues :/   maybe coles custom air scirocco will be the answer. still about 2 months left till he gets back his new stock with tacky topsheets like for how he asked them to be.



Nittaku H3 NEO is tacky. People say it's less tacky but that's only due to the combination with the sponge. It's supposed to be the same topsheet as commercial DHS according to Japanese TT shop owners. 
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Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

Nittaku H3 NEO is tacky. People say it's less tacky...

Yes it is tacky and to me it is just as tacky as the H3 Neo Prov which I got from you.
BTW, the Nittaku H3 NEO uses a Chinese sponge but there is also a version with a Japanese sponge, I believed called Pro, which I never tested.
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Always buy H3 from reputable sources (like ttnpp.com) 

H3 has always been the most counterfeited sheet. And it's common practice for factory seconds and sheets that fail QC to be rebadged and resold.

The majority of "factory defects" occur with non-genuine, or "altered between production and resale" sheets of H3.
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Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

kurokami, If I'm not mistaken,on TTDB; you had commented on Nittaku fastarc g1 as the closest alternative to prov h3.
I would be grateful if you can kindly speak about the level of tack compared to Xiom rubbers. for example; omega v pro or omega iv pro, or sigma 2 pro.  
omega V asia topsheet is too soft. I doubt you would even consider trying it.

I have tried all of those Xiom rubbers before besides OVA. i'd consider those to be pure mechanical and compare those more to tenergy than to hurricane. 

G-1 is not very tacky either. feel-wise, the topsheet is quite grippy but it's still ESN. The feeling is different. It just behaves more like a hurricane with the types of shots and amt of spin you can create. It is my preferred alternative thus far bc of reliable quality, predictable performance, simplicity in not requiring boosting, and more availability. 




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Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Yes.

ITTF did spoke oftentimes against chemical boosting all the time for many years before. . It is a reckless man who still continue with boosting. Tapping postfactory into the sponge is a huge risk unworthy, a messy job and heavy moneywaster as well.

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