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    Posted: 05/28/2019 at 10:34pm
which butterfly blade(s) play and feel the most similar to W968?
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Jpenmaster is right!!! similar to Harimoto ALC.
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Really? I thought there was nothing similar to the feeling, control and dwell like w968 as the quality of the material used is way better.Thats what i heard.
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Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

Really? I thought there was nothing similar to the feeling, control and dwell like w968 as the quality of the material used is way better.Thats what i heard.

I have 2 W968 blades that I love and have also extensively tried the Harimoto blade.

The 'quality of material' in the W968, IMHO, is all a big myth.

It is basically a less hollow, slightly more stiff HL5 but with some changes (perhaps kind of glue used) that enable the blade have more dwell in strokes than the HL5. It is slightly slower but one can impart more spin with it. And because, one normally brushes chinese rubbers with such a blade, it is more powerful than the HL5.

The Harimoto is basically a larger IF-Layer ALC. It feels more hollow and has a bit less dwell. It is a good blade (better than the IF-Layer ALC), but if someone offered you both at the similar price, definitely take the W968.
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Are you using provincial w968? National w968 is definitely something else.Very linear and lot of power away from the table.I have tried many blades and this is a lot better.
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Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

Are you using provincial w968? National w968 is definitely something else.Very linear and lot of power away from the table.I have tried many blades and this is a lot better.
just for information, what is a typical price for the two different versions.
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I think nowadays for Provincial w968 price is around 400 usd.For National it is really high around 700 usd.
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Isajokeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
The dhs guys have to be laughing at this situation.
A blade that they could sell for 40 dollars making a profit being sold at 700.
I bet now they are making 968 for sale.
They just make few so it looks like they were "stolen" from the chinese team headquarters.
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There is a difference for sure not worth 500 usd more than the commercial version for sure.But there is a difference.If price is not an issue one should buy it.But,the difference is not night and day.Just more control,Feeling,spin and speed when u use full swing.
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Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

There is a difference for sure not worth 500 usd more than the commercial version for sure.But there is a difference.If price is not an issue one should buy it.But,the difference is not night and day.Just more control,Feeling,spin and speed when u use full swing.

I think in the "hurricane long v" they are already using the best materials they have.
and they should be, because it's not a cheap blade.

from there above... all the national blades..... well it's a foggy area.

the fang bo and the pg5, sometimes you find very small defects.
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The higher quality materials is a load of crap. The main difference is the head shape. Same reason the Harimoto ALC plays slightly different than the Innerforce ALC. They may also be using a slightly different epoxy for the ALC layer or possibly a different wood glue but I doubt it. Plus I bet it's just like Bfly custom shop where you get a little more hands on attention to the blade but then again DHS edge finish is garbage so maybe not  haha. Finally how many W968 blades are actually DHS products and not fakes ? 

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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

The higher quality materials is a load of crap. The main difference is the head shape. Same reason the Harimoto ALC plays slightly different than the Innerforce ALC. They may also be using a slightly different epoxy for the ALC layer or possibly a different wood glue but I doubt it. Plus I bet it's just like Bfly custom shop where you get a little more hands on attention to the blade but then again DHS edge finish is garbage so maybe not  haha. Finally how many W968 blades are actually DHS products and not fakes ? 

Whats the point of having a polished blade like furniture that plays like crap?
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

The higher quality materials is a load of crap. The main difference is the head shape. Same reason the Harimoto ALC plays slightly different than the Innerforce ALC. They may also be using a slightly different epoxy for the ALC layer or possibly a different wood glue but I doubt it. Plus I bet it's just like Bfly custom shop where you get a little more hands on attention to the blade but then again DHS edge finish is garbage so maybe not  haha. Finally how many W968 blades are actually DHS products and not fakes ? 

Whats the point of having a polished blade like furniture that plays like crap?

an amateur player will play the same with a blade worth 10 dollars as with a blade worth 700 dollars.
so there's no such thing as a blade that plays like crap.
it's the player that plays like crap.... or not.
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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

The higher quality materials is a load of crap. The main difference is the head shape. Same reason the Harimoto ALC plays slightly different than the Innerforce ALC. They may also be using a slightly different epoxy for the ALC layer or possibly a different wood glue but I doubt it. Plus I bet it's just like Bfly custom shop where you get a little more hands on attention to the blade but then again DHS edge finish is garbage so maybe not  haha. Finally how many W968 blades are actually DHS products and not fakes ? 

Whats the point of having a polished blade like furniture that plays like crap?

an amateur player will play the same with a blade worth 10 dollars as with a blade worth 700 dollars.
so there's no such thing as a blade that plays like crap.
it's the player that plays like crap.... or not.

There are levels of crap. I play crappier with some blades than with others. 
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

The higher quality materials is a load of crap. The main difference is the head shape. Same reason the Harimoto ALC plays slightly different than the Innerforce ALC. They may also be using a slightly different epoxy for the ALC layer or possibly a different wood glue but I doubt it. Plus I bet it's just like Bfly custom shop where you get a little more hands on attention to the blade but then again DHS edge finish is garbage so maybe not  haha. Finally how many W968 blades are actually DHS products and not fakes ? 

Whats the point of having a polished blade like furniture that plays like crap?

an amateur player will play the same with a blade worth 10 dollars as with a blade worth 700 dollars.
so there's no such thing as a blade that plays like crap.
it's the player that plays like crap.... or not.

There are levels of crap. I play crappier with some blades than with others. 

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OK. Back to topic.

We have quite a few players in our club that play with HL5 / FB2 or both & for more than a year. All of them remarked that this blade (W968) seems different when I asked them to try it out (they did not know that it was not a HL5 - no non-EJ stares at a serial number!).

Remarks were ‘sticky’, and ‘more solid’. A hitter did not like it: “the blade has trouble letting go”. A looper loved it as he got more spin & power with it.

But yes, it has NOTHING to do with some superior material quality. Perhaps, it is not made at factory and at the DHS Research Institute instead - and they use either a different type of glue or slightly different 2nd wood layer.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

OK. Back to topic.

We have quite a few players in our club that play with HL5 / FB2 or both & for more than a year. All of them remarked that this blade (W968) seems different when I asked them to try it out (they did not know that it was not a HL5 - no non-EJ stares at a serial number!).

Remarks were ‘sticky’, and ‘more solid’. A hitter did not like it: “the blade has trouble letting go”. A looper loved it as he got more spin & power with it.

But yes, it has NOTHING to do with some superior material quality. Perhaps, it is not made at factory and at the DHS Research Institute instead - and they use either a different type of glue or slightly different 2nd wood layer.

come on, you are really going to take into account what random guys say at the club?
I had a hl5, I had a fang bo.... yeah they felt slightly different.
did my game change because of this?
no way.
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DHS must be rubbing their hands together... not only can they make a killing on provincial/national rubbers, they can now also do it for blades! Big smile Why stop at Butterfly pricing, when people are willing to pay more? Confused
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why are we arguing about this? It is demand vs supply.The price is high cz they are not made in large amounts for the public and are very rare.They are made in small batches that is the reason the quality control is better than other Dhs products.The blades are just made for the CNT. 

If anyone can easily afford only then they should buy them. It is not the end of the world. It wont make you play completely differently. I could afford it and decided to buy one. The blade just has a lot of control, feeling and dwell. 

If you like to brush the ball you will love the blade and feel like your money was well spent.But, if u like to hit more and brush rarely you will rather hate it. So it is a matter of styles. If you are a looper probably one of the best blades.
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Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

The price is high cz they are not made in large amounts for the public and are very rare.They are made in small batches that is the reason the quality control is better than other Dhs products.The blades are just made for the CNT. 

I'm certainly not trying to argue with you. If what you're saying is true, then the price may be justified. However I think it's far more likely these blades are just selected from a batch of regular blades to suit certain requirements. There are always variation between blades, so selecting by certain characteristics seems far more likely. The players themselves may also be presented with 100 blades, and they pick the top 3 that suits their requirement.
It seems not economical to have a seperate set of machines just for national players. Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I've been around for a while. Big smileLOLWink


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I think Dhs is controlled by the chinese government. So they can do anything to provide the best material for there players. So i dont think they worry about things like being economical and just looking for profit.Table tennis a national sport in China.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

I'm certainly not trying to argue with you. If what you're saying is true, then the price may be justified. However I think it's far more likely these blades are just selected from a batch of regular blades to suit certain requirements. There are always variation between blades, so selecting by certain characteristics seems far more likely. The players themselves may also be presented with 100 blades, and they pick the top 3 that suits their requirement.
It seems not economical to have a seperate set of machines just for national players. Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I've been around for a while. Big smileLOLWink

From experience:
  1. There is little difference (at our levels or much higher!) between H3 Provincial & H3 National (Blue or orange sponge). They are manufactured in same facility & in same batch process.
  2. There is a difference between HL5 & W968 - I have 2 provincial W968 & have had around 5 HL5 blades and 3 FB Carbon blades. The difference I see are the same as what all other users state (W968 is slower, more dwelly, more powerful. To me, W968 is 'sticky' like the Xiom ZX3 is). Reportedly, they are manufactured in different facilities: HL5 in the factory and W968 in DHS Research Institute. HL5 (157x150), all have exactly the same dimensions. W968 do not - some are large and others are 158x150. Many come with thicker handles as well. I do think that it is a myth that W968 has better quality material than the HL5. However, it is quite possible that they use different inner woods or glue. My guess is that they are made-to-order by hand to dimensions requested by players. The players keep the ones they want. The others end up in the open market.


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Thanks slevin.You are absolutely correct.The one I have has bigger head size 160x150mm
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FREITAS ALC is the most close feeling to W968 for BTY blades

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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

The price is high cz they are not made in large amounts for the public and are very rare.They are made in small batches that is the reason the quality control is better than other Dhs products.The blades are just made for the CNT. 

I'm certainly not trying to argue with you. If what you're saying is true, then the price may be justified. However I think it's far more likely these blades are just selected from a batch of regular blades to suit certain requirements. There are always variation between blades, so selecting by certain characteristics seems far more likely. The players themselves may also be presented with 100 blades, and they pick the top 3 that suits their requirement.
It seems not economical to have a seperate set of machines just for national players. Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I've been around for a while. Big smileLOLWink



DHS has a factory for small batch production for CNT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGW68mubiE

You see workers doing lots of work by hand.

A huge company like DHS has no problem in devoting a dedicated set of equipment just for pros.

This is common in sports sponsorship. Don't think for a second that Tiger Woods or Federer are getting stuff off the regular consumer production line. They spend lots of time at the factory getting gear personally fitted and their sponsors make the equipment to their specs with the highest quality materials.
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