WBG destroys our blades?

Baal wrote: hithithit wrote: DreiZ wrote: Can someone post links to the best available VOC glues to use? I've always used BTY free chack so I never had experience with VOC glues. Thanks! Question. Why do you want to use VOC glue when it is banned? So it doesn't destroy your blade.  Wait a few days and VOC are gone, so then the blade is legal.

I am referring to the use of VOC glue, not whether the racket meets the VOC criteria.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is, the use of VOC glue (with some exceptions, e.g. by manufacturers when making the rubbers) is banned.

LOOPMEISTER wrote: There's no denying that water damages wood, generally speaking, but how much glue do you have to be using or how often do you re-glue with water based glue so that it noticeably affects the playing quality/feel of the blade???????  I have to call B.S. on this, except for someone like Dima (who I'm guessing is the source of the recent buzz about this topic), since he probably boosts his rubbers daily if not twice a day...

Well not that expencive. I made lot´s of experiments about how many gluelayers has the best feeling etc. Lots´s of peeling of old glue and few plisters as well. But hey we all need something to do, right;).

when it was speed glue it was worth the bother.  Modern tuners and methods just dont' work well enough for me to take the time to mess with it.

Tommy16 wrote: LOOPMEISTER wrote: There's no denying that water damages wood, generally speaking, but how much glue do you have to be using or how often do you re-glue with water based glue so that it noticeably affects the playing quality/feel of the blade???????  I have to call B.S. on this, except for someone like Dima (who I'm guessing is the source of the recent buzz about this topic), since he probably boosts his rubbers daily if not twice a day...   Actually I made this topic becouse I have had a bad experience with WBG and same time becouse I read from somewhere that Vladi changes his blade every 3 months due the WBG. That tells us something becouse in SG era Vladi playden with same blade for couple of decades.   Thank you all for your answers. My concluson is that it does help me quite a lot if I seal my blade with water resistant laquering. That was what I was asking.   In my book all voc glues are banned. But hey that just me and my opinion. If you want to use voc glue and you think it is ok that´s fine by me also, it just not what I´m willing to do.   And answer to Loopmaister: It took about 40 re-gluing times to kill my Tibhar Balsa sgs. Maybe some other blades can cope better with wbg but that was what my previous blade tolerated. Luckily I have found quite nice rubbers to play with so I don´t really need to re-glue anymore.   Thanks again for all answers.   Tommi

Tommy16 wrote: It took about 40 re-gluing times to kill my Tibhar Balsa sgs.

I take this as 40 re-gluing times per side. In which case, I think that's quite good.

The most frequent that I re-glue is once every 8-12 weeks, and that's putting on new rubbers. Thus, if this means the blade has a maximum 3 year useful life span then so be it.

I am not sure about you guys, but for me, the most costly part of table tennis is actually the rubbers followed by the shoes.

Olio wrote: Also, you can perfecly apply WBG on your rubbers, and a layer of VOC glue on your blade.

May I ask few questions?
- Does the voc glue leave some oil residue on the blade after the rubber got removed? I once noticed this thing happened to my blade and it's very difficult to remove.
- Non speed effect VOC glue is hard to find. The only one I know is the Falco glue but it is not available in my country. Can you recommend anything else?
- How can I apply a thin layer of VOC glue instead of a thick rough layer?

Thanks.

I always wondered why the feel of my blades would deteriorate. Like my first viscaria, just felt softer and softer. My clippers did the same thing. I can't believe I never thought of the glue being a problem. 

Yup. As i said before, if you want to keep your blade 10+ years, avoid WBG at any cost. I don't care if VOC glue is banned, its still quite easy to be found in France, and still used even by some pro players who wants to keep their blade for ages and don't want to change it at any cost. 

Edited by vivan4tt - 11/05/2014 at 6:25pm

One coat on blade and one coat on rubber enough?

Baal wrote: Has anybody used rubber cement with Tenergy 05?  Any reason to worry about that?

Unless Butterfly has changed the makeup of the sponge, Tenergy was originally designed to be used with VOC glues.
Yes, it has been around that long.

@Baal: forgot to mention this, I like to put a stack of books on top for a couple of hours after glueing the rubber on.

beeray1 wrote: I've always ended up with some noticeable shrinkage when using rubber cement on Tenergy. I always thought that Tenergy was the biggest no-no of any rubber for using rubber cement.

Tinykin wrote: Baal wrote: Has anybody used rubber cement with Tenergy 05?  Any reason to worry about that? Unless Butterfly has changed the makeup of the sponge, Tenergy was originally designed to be used with VOC glues. Yes, it has been around that long.

Are you sure???

IMHO and if memory serves well, Tenergy packaging (right from the start)had a "Attention" sticker - explicitely recomending Butterfly Free Chack. So, no VOC !

And, as others have already mentioned, my ersonal impression is, that there's hardly any other Rubber reacting worse to VOC glues. Wether one likes the outcome or not - there's definetely a lot going on when using Tenergy with VOC - IMO more than with any other "Speed Glue Effect" rubber.

Re. repeatedy reported"shrinkage" - to my experience there is not much of this effect with latest generation of those rubbers - with energy definetely thee's almost nothing ver the course of several month. Most of it is due to stretching in the first place (IMO) - but most people just don't realize they're stretching when more or less "rolling" the rubber onto blade.




Edited by tt-panopticum - 11/06/2014 at 4:12am