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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by tt-panopticum tt-panopticum wrote:

IMHO and if memory serves well, Tenergy packaging (right from the start)had a "Attention" sticker - explicitely recomending Butterfly Free Chack. So, no VOC !
And why do you think it says that on the sticker?
1. BTY want to sell you their own glue.
2. They do not want to be liable if you use VOC glue and then get kicked out of tournament because the MiniRAE went nuts.


in response to 1. : yes, I wouldn't expect BTFY to recomend other manufacturers glue :-)

2. : why do you think this "Attention" sticker is only found on Tenergy than, to my knowledge there's no such sticker n any other newer generation rubber from BTFY and following your logic it should be on all Rubber packagings afte the Speed glue ban.

You seem to like Tenergy glued with VOC, I know of a lot of players who think it's ruined when touched up with VOC.

Definetely VOC glued Tenergy tends to shrink a lot after a few weeks, definetely curls up the "wrong" way when VOC are gone - WBG Tenergy doesn't do this fora very long time.

And sorry for OT here - just realized....
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Originally posted by tt-panopticum tt-panopticum wrote:

Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Has anybody used rubber cement with Tenergy 05?  Any reason to worry about that?

Unless Butterfly has changed the makeup of the sponge, Tenergy was originally designed to be used with VOC glues.
Yes, it has been around that long.Smile


Are you sure???

IMHO and if memory serves well, Tenergy packaging (right from the start)had a "Attention" sticker - explicitely recomending Butterfly Free Chack. So, no VOC !

And, as others have already mentioned, my ersonal impression is, that there's hardly any other Rubber reacting worse to VOC glues. Wether one likes the outcome or not - there's definetely a lot going on when using Tenergy with VOC - IMO more than with any other "Speed Glue Effect" rubber.

Re. repeatedy reported"shrinkage" - to my experience there is not much of this effect with latest generation of those rubbers - with energy definetely thee's almost nothing ver the course of several month. Most of it is due to stretching in the first place (IMO) - but most people just don't realize they're stretching when more or less "rolling" the rubber onto blade.


Another poster explained it very well some years ago and it went something like;
Bryce was Bty first venture into rubbers with sponge that mimicked Speed glued rubbers without the Speed glue. But it was too fast/uncontrollable for the TT masses. So Tenergy was developed as the more control oriented rubber that played like SG rubber. It wasn't all that successful compared to SG Bryce among pros. But as the VOC restrictions came into force, non-VOC boosters were quite legal and encouraged by Mr Sharara as the safe alternative to SG. Players noticed that boosted Tenergy + WBG performed very nicely compared to Bryce and started to convert.
And here we are. Bty did not expect that Bryce would be trumped by Tenergy among the professional players. So its success is a bit of a happy accident for Bty.
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:



Another poster explained it very well some years ago and it went something like;
Bryce was Bty first venture into rubbers with sponge that mimicked Speed glued rubbers without the Speed glue. But it was too fast/uncontrollable for the TT masses. So Tenergy was developed as the more control oriented rubber that played like SG rubber. It wasn't all that successful compared to SG Bryce among pros. But as the VOC restrictions came into force, non-VOC boosters were quite legal and encouraged by Mr Sharara as the safe alternative to SG. Players noticed that boosted Tenergy + WBG performed very nicely compared to Bryce and started to convert.
And here we are. Bty did not expect that Bryce would be trumped by Tenergy among the professional players. So its success is a bit of a happy accident for Bty.


This is not the way I remember it at all.  Bryce was always intended to be used with glue, and was sold long before the glue ban (I used it for years).  Then they came out with Bryce FX (FX = "effects", get it?).  That was a sponge that was supposed to react even more to speed glue, and it really did, too much for me.  (Now it just means softer sponge).  The first Btfly "glue effect" rubber that was supposed to make speed glue unnecessary was Cermet.  Tibhar had one around the same time, and then Donic F1, the first ESN tensor that actually had something that we recognize. 

Tenergy was marketed starting around 2008, with full knowledge beforehand by Btfly that the ban was coming.  Without a glue ban, there was absolutely zero interest in pros or other high level players to use any rubber that was not glued.  The only market for stuff like Cermet was players good enough to appreciate glue, but who didn't like the smell and extra work and whose livelihood did not depend on winning matches.
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Our memories differ.
AFAIR, Bryce was initally promoted as not needing SG. In fact, using SG on Bryce certainly almost always destroyed the rubber after a few gluings. It would crack and generally be not very playable. Of course this did not matter to the top pros as Bty was far more generous in handing out rubbers in those days.
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Tenergy was developed long before the VOC restrictions, so the story goes.
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Tinykin is right, Bryce was marketed as having some kind of tension and not needing glue. I remember being surprised seeing people glue it at the time.
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In any case, I've only ever used WBG with Tenergy.  I was wondering about rubber cement because at this point the blade I am using is a lot more irreplaceable than the rubber.
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I finally found BTY fair chack at a very very good price. Hope it does not ruin my beloved blades. LOL

I agree with Baal, some of our blades are irreplaceable.

Edited by BB-Big - 11/06/2014 at 9:46pm
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