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    Posted: 06/10/2011 at 4:05pm
What is the highest quality water base glue?  I have been using Palio glue, it seems to work ok, but the past 3 rubbers have actually come off during play. Any recommendations on good glue? I heard some good things about Nittaku, but what type?
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Nittaku finezip is a good one, along with the DHS #15 glue. Double Fish glue is pretty good, too. It comes off very easily. Those three are my top picks.
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1- Nittaku Finezip
2- Cornilleau Easy Clean and Haifu WSB
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Nittaku Finezip. It is also reasonably priced at paddlepalace.com
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Avoid Free chack, it sticks so hard that you will likely tear holes in the sponge while removing it. I use a non tt specific water based latex glue, called Copydex, it's inexpensive and very easy to peel from the sponge.
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Avoid Free chack, it sticks so hard that you will likely tear holes in the sponge while removing it. I use a non tt specific water based latex glue, called Copydex, it's inexpensive and very easy to peel from the sponge.

+1000. Free chack was an awful experience. I dried it with a hair dryer to get it super dry, and that rubber never came off the blade again.
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Of the three Water Based glues I have used (Dawei, Stiga Synchro, and Donic Formula First), Donic's FF stands out for most even application and fewest "rubber granules".
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I like Nittaku Finezip as well.
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How is Haifu water glue? Its pretty expensive in comparison to its speed glue which is dirt cheap.
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Haifu Waterbased glue is very good on Chinese rubber like H3. I put at least 12 layers, it add a bit speed with not as dead feel as with thin layers.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Haifu Waterbased glue is very good on Chinese rubber like H3. I put at least 12 layers, it add a bit speed with not as dead feel as with thin layers.

Does it work just as well with Japanese rubbers, or just adds no real effect unlike with Chinese rubbers?
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Avoid Dandoy glue. It's close to impossible remove soft rubber.
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Haifu Waterbased glue is very good on Chinese rubber like H3. I put at least 12 layers, it add a bit speed with not as dead feel as with thin layers.

Does it work just as well with Japanese rubbers, or just adds no real effect unlike with Chinese rubbers?
 
Works fine on Tenergy, Boost series and Pilot series. Also on german tensors.
 
I used to put 2 layers only to fix or 5-6 layers to add a little elasticity on these rubbers. It's not a tuner as some sellers say, It's just a glue.
 
Other glues can be used with more than 5 layers to add some elasticity and softer feel.
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Avoid Free chack, it sticks so hard that you will likely tear holes in the sponge while removing it. I use a non tt specific water based latex glue, called Copydex, it's inexpensive and very easy to peel from the sponge.


In the U.S. the equivalent to CopyDex appearsto be TearMender.  I found TearMender a few years back while trying to find a U.S. company that carried CopyDex.  I began my search because I was annoyed by the $7 price for a 20ml tube of Butterfly glue.  CopyDex and TearMender are to water based table tennis glues as rubber cement was to table tennis glues.

BTW, if your blade has soft or porous wood in the outer plies, I recommend sealing it before using CopyDex or Tearmender.  These glues can stick fairly tenaciously to soft and porous woods.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Haifu Waterbased glue is very good on Chinese rubber like H3. I put at least 12 layers, it add a bit speed with not as dead feel as with thin layers.


And it probably makes your racket illegal. 

From the T4 Technical Leaflet:

1.2. Adhesive
The use of a thick layer of adhesive is NOT permitted either within the
blade (The Law 2.4.2), or between the blade and the racket covering.


The problem is that the law cited does not support the assertion.

But 12 layers might very well add enough thickness to put you over the 4.0mm thickness limit which would make your racket clearly illegal.  That limit includes glue.
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thanks for the input! I think im going to get some Nittaku finezip. 
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I never thought copydex sticks very hard. On the other hand my only other experience was with free chack, which is even more ferocious. Do the glues that were recommended stick less than copydex / tear mender?
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Haifu Waterbased glue is very good on Chinese rubber like H3. I put at least 12 layers, it add a bit speed with not as dead feel as with thin layers.

Does it work just as well with Japanese rubbers, or just adds no real effect unlike with Chinese rubbers?


I've tried 6 layers of Haifu WBG on Tenergy 05 and 64. It is a bit faster and more bouncy ( which is not good ), when I try to glue it with finezip 1 layer, it is not as bouncy as with Haifu and it's more control.
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For me the list is like this

1- Nittaku Fine zip and Stiga Attach Power (they are the same glue, they are mfd in same factory -made is japan) best thing about this glue is, it is thick. You do not need so much time to glue your racket. If you want a pro quality layer 2 layers are enough and it is easily removed from the sponge.

2- A custom made glue which I could not get the formula. It heavily smells amonia. I think it is mixture of latex or caoutchuc and amonia.

3- Haifu water solubility bond

4- Joola Lex glue, it almost has same properties as haifu glue

5- Dhs no 15, after 2 months this glue looses its sticking property. It is thick but it leaves a little bir mud like residue which many people do not like but I still like it.

Rest of them are not worth using in my opinion. Throw them to the garbage.
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I didnt like the btf free chack and donic glue. But TSP is very good. easy to remove nice and clean...

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Originally posted by TSuBaSa TSuBaSa wrote:

I didnt like the btf free chack and donic glue. But TSP is very good. easy to remove nice and clean...


+1000, i always have a problem with donic glue, wait too long, and DO NOT WORK for domed tuned rubber.
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Originally posted by HowToPlayChineseLoop HowToPlayChineseLoop wrote:


Originally posted by TSuBaSa TSuBaSa wrote:

I didnt like the btf free chack and donic glue. But TSP is very good. easy to remove nice and clean...

+1000, i always have a problem with donic glue, wait too long, and DO NOT WORK for domed tuned rubber.


I find the Donic glue quite good for actually holding rubber on. The problem is it is hard to remove!

I personally use Haifu WSB and it is fine. I have even become lazy with it using a single thick layer and I simply glue over this layer when I remove, tune and reglue. Once you have a few layers you just pull it off the rubber easy.
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DIANCHI wbg is great. Fair chack for BTF the worst of all
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Tear mender.  Pretty much the same stuff as these TT glues.  1/10th the price.  Add just a little water to the bottle before you use it.  Peels off of rubbers very nicely.
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I bought a container of Killerspin water based glue when I first started playing seriously and changing rubbers on my first blade and it has worked fine with no complaints.

Other people in my club have borrowed it and it has worked fine for them
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Haifu Waterbased glue is very good on Chinese rubber like H3. I put at least 12 layers, it add a bit speed with not as dead feel as with thin layers.


And it probably makes your racket illegal. 

From the T4 Technical Leaflet:

1.2. Adhesive
The use of a thick layer of adhesive is NOT permitted either within the
blade (The Law 2.4.2), or between the blade and the racket covering.


The problem is that the law cited does not support the assertion.

But 12 layers might very well add enough thickness to put you over the 4.0mm thickness limit which would make your racket clearly illegal.  That limit includes glue.

that rule is aimed to avoid cheating, some players make a thick layer so the rubber will behave like anti/pips when you play against them the ball will sink
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 I use Donic glue and have had zero issues. Will have to try Nittaku Finezip since it is getting good reviews here. Elmers is always an economical last resort in a pinch.
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My vote goes to Nittaku FineZip as well
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