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serve and return, its the most important because if you cant do it well there is no other part of the game. 
 
I believe most people at my club practise this the least, I'm the opposite, I practise serve and open without counting points, for hours with whoever is available.
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1 of my rubber pair is as same as yours (2.1 Tenergy05 on both sides), but I put them on Amultart. It's so fantastic with short-mid range loops. So far it's been called "King of all paddles", agreed by everyone in the clubs.

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For the guy who started this thread: Gjurovski, I can see ti si od Makedonija, ja znam da zborum ama nez nam kako da pishuvam!
 
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oh KING OF PADDLES yes for super big high loops, Ive got one
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Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

You cannot have one thing without the other.

If you don't have good serve and receive, well bye2, good night..
If you have good serve and receive, but don't have good basics, you will get hammered in the rallies..
If you have good basics, but don't have the footwork, you won't be able to get into position to take those strokes you train hard to do..
If you have all those but don't have the quickness of mind and the mental strength to be able to use them in a game situation, then all your hard work is for nothing..

The most important part of it all is one's commitment to work hard and keep on trying to improve every aspect of his/her game
 
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Everything is just as important as another. Aside from the skill and physical preparation, mental preparation is very important! 
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good serves dont necessarily mean how much spin you put on the ball kong, ma lin and wang liqin are some of the better servers at having deceptive serves ie using same motion but have different spins have seen these guys win a lot of points without having to play a third ball, btw avarun your service is not bad for something that look so simple because you have good deception in your serves. btw wang liqin is one of the best servers in the game.
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I think I have to say serve, return...and most of all....stability....if you're not stable then the opponent doesn't even have to do anything and you lose...
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Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

A good serve makes things a lot easier for you, but you might want to have a look at players like Kong Linghui and Wang Liqin. Their serves are mediocre at best. Yet they won seven major titles between them.

Building your game around several serves is a short term strategy, you can no longer rely on your serves to win a game for you. Liu Guoliang realised this after his 1997 worlds defeat and came back to dominate for two more years with a revamped game.

Ma Lin realised this after a series of close losses to Wang Liqin. He retooled his entire strategy, rose up with a vengeance and took the no1 ranking away from his rival.

Take note that Wang Hao's greatest strength is not his serves. They merely facillate his dominating attack game. If he gets a free point because the other guy misjudged, fine. If not, its work as usual.

Take note, Walder as a teenager was little more than a serve and a forehand. While he oozed with talent, his backhand was so mediocre and his defence ineffective. That was what killed him against Jiang Jialiang. I can bet at that moment in time, Cheng Yinghua had a better backhand and was a much better athlete. What did Waldner do? He retooled his game and won four majors.

 
 
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Originally posted by jlwckc jlwckc wrote:

Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

A good serve makes things a lot easier for you, but you might want to have a look at players like Kong Linghui and Wang Liqin. Their serves are mediocre at best. Yet they won seven major titles between them.

Building your game around several serves is a short term strategy, you can no longer rely on your serves to win a game for you. Liu Guoliang realised this after his 1997 worlds defeat and came back to dominate for two more years with a revamped game.

Ma Lin realised this after a series of close losses to Wang Liqin. He retooled his entire strategy, rose up with a vengeance and took the no1 ranking away from his rival.

Take note that Wang Hao's greatest strength is not his serves. They merely facillate his dominating attack game. If he gets a free point because the other guy misjudged, fine. If not, its work as usual.

Take note, Walder as a teenager was little more than a serve and a forehand. While he oozed with talent, his backhand was so mediocre and his defence ineffective. That was what killed him against Jiang Jialiang. I can bet at that moment in time, Cheng Yinghua had a better backhand and was a much better athlete. What did Waldner do? He retooled his game and won four majors.

 
 
its the skill of adaptation
 
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That's very well said. The simple ability to adapt can be better than back and fourth deep thought out tactics sometimes. Basic/ not super deep tactics along with good placement and adaptation are a recipe for being effective in my opinion.
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I think everyone has different strenth and weakness, so what's important to player A might not be important in player B.

I have great body coordinance, strength, but my footwork and backhand sucks! For footwork, I am 60 lbs overweight! If I weigh what I used to weigh 20 years ago - 5'10 and 150 lbs, I bet I can be 2300+ easy.
For backhand, I just have never practiced and got trained.
 
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The most important part of the game... is to have a game! I mean to have your own tailor made, "set combos!". E.g. Serve short underspin, prepare for short return flip, or serve long topspin prepare for weak topspin return attack!

Whether your serve is good, or return of serve is good or footwork etc, if you can execute your "set combos" consistently and successfully and take the initiative, you will be in effect controlling the game and winning it.

The reason why serve seems like the most important part of the game is simply because it allows you to execute your "set combo" first.

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training in the right position..
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Originally posted by patrick1v patrick1v wrote:

btw wang liqin is one of the best servers in the game.

Nope. Lets say he has got some decent serves.
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Originally posted by TT_Freak TT_Freak wrote:

A good serve makes things a lot easier for you, but you might want to have a look at players like Kong Linghui and Wang Liqin. Their serves are mediocre at best. Yet they won seven major titles between them.

Building your game around several serves is a short term strategy, you can no longer rely on your serves to win a game for you. Liu Guoliang realised this after his 1997 worlds defeat and came back to dominate for two more years with a revamped game.

Ma Lin realised this after a series of close losses to Wang Liqin. He retooled his entire strategy, rose up with a vengeance and took the no1 ranking away from his rival.

Take note that Wang Hao's greatest strength is not his serves. They merely facillate his dominating attack game. If he gets a free point because the other guy misjudged, fine. If not, its work as usual.

Take note, Walder as a teenager was little more than a serve and a forehand. While he oozed with talent, his backhand was so mediocre and his defence ineffective. That was what killed him against Jiang Jialiang. I can bet at that moment in time, Cheng Yinghua had a better backhand and was a much better athlete. What did Waldner do? He retooled his game and won four majors.

Your basics matter. No matter how much you eschew your drills, it will come back to bite you in the ass one day. Drill your forehand, drill your backhand. Fancy stuff won't help you when you can't even get the ball back on the table.
Quick question. How many years did it take Ma Lin to realize he needed to change his strategy against Wang Liqin? In my opinion, Wang Liqin seemed to get old real quick last year and could no longer rally with as much consistency as he had in previous years.
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Originally posted by naijachief naijachief wrote:

Quick question. How many years did it take Ma Lin to realize he needed to change his strategy against Wang Liqin? In my opinion, Wang Liqin seemed to get old real quick last year and could no longer rally with as much consistency as he had in previous years.


I think WLQ made a mistake when he tried to change his BH technique. Since then his game is no longer the same.. In one of his interview last year, LGL said that WLQ was adopting a new BH..
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maybe his shots turned weak without speed glue?
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Like many previous posts have said there is no one important thing in the game.  I think one of the more main parts in the game that a player needs to succeed is to have good footwork and court positioning.  You can have the strongest and spinniest loops in the world but if you arent positioned right nothing will work.
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

maybe his shots turned weak without speed glue?


Nope.. correct me if I am wrong, but in the last two years, the only Singles tournament he won is the WTTC 2007 MS.
There is a period of almost two years of speed glue era underachievement. LGL was asked about this last year when WLQ didn't win a single pro tour. He gave the reason behind WLQ decline is he is adopting a new BH technique for preparation for the 2008 Olympic. He didn't win that one either so.. Kind of make sense since he seems to be more offensive (flicks, loops) with his BH but it kind of screw his game overall.. why change things if it works fine?
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Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:


Nope.. correct me if I am wrong, but in the last two years, the only Singles tournament he won is the WTTC 2007 MS.
There is a period of almost two years of speed glue era underachievement. LGL was asked about this last year when WLQ didn't win a single pro tour. He gave the reason behind WLQ decline is he is adopting a new BH technique for preparation for the 2008 Olympic. He didn't win that one either so.. Kind of make sense since he seems to be more offensive (flicks, loops) with his BH but it kind of screw his game overall.. why change things if it works fine?


Somebody convinced him he needed to change his game.  It's a shame he went that direction; I had hoped he would find his way back to the top, but I am beginning to doubt he has enough drive left.
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According to Stellan Bengtsson, the 4 pillars of the game:

1. Service
2. 3rd ball
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Originally posted by gurovski gurovski wrote:

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i think the most important part in the game is the serve.
with the serve you can manipulate with your opponent.


To me, the most important part is service receiving to stop the opponent from attacking the 3rd ball.
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TT is a combination of many component parts, parts mental, physical, technical and tactical. Top flight players are very good at all of them but excel at several. Return of serve is the rudder that steers the ship.
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