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dauntless
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Posted: 11/26/2007 at 6:21pm |
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Which blade has a harder surface?
Dawei Wavestone or Xiom Control 3/ALL+ or Darker 7p-2a?
I am going to choose one of these as a paddle with anti-spin rubber
on my backhand. I have heard that a harder blade make better blades for anti/long pips for spin reversal. Is this true?
Any ideas would be helpful.
This is supposed to be a backup blade for playing against the old dudes at my club playing LPs. Btw - they are kicking my a$$... need to get some payback.
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dauntless
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bump --> I know anti isn;t popular but there's gotta be someone out there who technically know which would be better.
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ppgear
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I don't know whether anti is the solution to your problems. Spin reversal works best against people who love to spin (eg. loopers). I figure the old guys that you play aren't loopers, since they themselves use long pips. So this may not really solve much.
You may be better off switching to short pips and be a flat hitter. Then their long pips won't be any good against you. |
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korearulz
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if u really want to play with anti then by my experience you should use a softer blade
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haggisv
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Most of the energy of (most) antis is absorbed by the sponge, so i don't see the blade as important as for normal rubbers. Most of the spin reversal is due to the slippery surface, and probably a hard blade would give a little less dwell time to increase the spin reversal, but still it's secondary.
I would choose a blade not too fast, and something that fits well with your other rubber...
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dauntless
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nice, thanks guys.
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alfie
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your better off playing an attacking game rather than using anti against LP players,if you can't loop the chops they are giving you then you need faster handspeed when looping or better technique.
If you constantly try looping their chops you will get better and better at it until it becomes easy,equipment can help but it's mainly tachnique and handspeed as well as being in good position to make the shot
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dauntless
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i think you are generally right alfie and ppgear...and its likely that
I won't end up really using it. however, i was thinking it might be
fun. i was wanting to just give them more dead balls and force some
balls up and confuse them a little, setting up for fh. "constantly try
looping their chops you will get better and better at it until it
becomes easy" I know this to be true...and also know it will be the
basis of any real progress I make. I just thought it might be fun to
try on a bat that won't be my main setup.
I'm going to throw it onto the dawei wavestone...it is more practical than any real choice. (I have a red gambler 2.0 six shooter already cut for Dawei blade) The anti comes in only black. it will be fun to report back to you guys what happens. On the xiom control 3 I am going with Energy GP 2.0 both sides. btw-- alfie, I just got the blade -- it is so light --super nice finish -- grain is nice on the xiom -- I am going against all of my impatient genes and going to lightly seal blade and wait to put brand new rubbers on it... could be another week! but at least I get to look at it! Here is my "quiver": |
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IceDefence
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If you are going to use Super Anti then I would recommend Joola Panther
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UlmoGerman
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I think a medium Layer will be top. With a verry hard Layer i mean the feeling is not so good! I have tryed muce kind of woods with frictionless LP, but at the end i don't use the hardest one, because you get no feetback!
With a medium Layer like Limba/Koto you get a god combination from controll and Spin!
Cheers Uli
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YATTP
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Best Anti combo imho is Joola Toni Hold Antitop bh, Yasaka Anti Power fh and Joola Toni Hold Whitespot blade.
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mozzy
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Wow, that is some combo, what type of blade is it?
I have just used the Yasaka Anti tonight for the 1st time with mixed results, alot of attacks that i returned on my bh went into the net or over the end, any tips?
When i was able to play / dictate play with my bh i had some good results, i am using it on 729 attack and control elite carbon 7 ply, with Gewo (grippy) on fh.
I would like to use this on fh like you, to attack with and maybe lp on bh, i have seen someone at my club use this on fh as penholder very well, using alot of chop or spin type strokes and flat hits on high balls, how do you use it?
Many thanks if you can help YTTAP!
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Hookshot
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Hi Mozzy,
I can make a guess, you are using the Anti the wrong way. "Do not try to hit topspin with it"!!!! Where anti excells, is change of pace. Drop blocks with NO stroke. Just let the ball hit the bat. If you hit with it, ONLY hit chops. If you are familar with a lift stroke like used with LPs, that works also against CHOP. If you hit an incomming topspin with anti, the spin is reversed into chop and the ball will float, right off the end if you hit hard. DO NOT try to hit incomming loops!!! Just hold the bat and let the ball run into it. It will dump just over the net and all the topspin will be turned into chop stopping the ball on the table. Anti is useful at higher levels but you have to realize what it is doing to the ball. The BTY Super Anti will work on any blade. It has sponge that kills the speed. I use it on hard carbon blades and it works fine. You have to change your game just like someone trying LPs for the first time. If you block a spinny loop, now they have a hard chop ball to hit. Use it to run them in and out, break them out of the looping pattern. |
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Hookshot
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Here is some more about anti.
Watch some of Dr Ns training vids for his frictionless (now banned) rubbers. He hits incomming chop using their spin to become his topspin. He blocks incomming topspin to create chops. For serve return, If you get a short chop serve, either push it back, (it goes back topspin) or use a lift stroke. (goes back topspin) When you push a chop serve back, enjoy the look on their face when they try to push it again and it goes straight up 2 feet. If you get a fast chop serve, block it, "don't swing at it", just hold the bat there and let the ball run into it. You can drop those serves short and they carry topspin. If someone brush loops at you, block it "right off the bounce", again NO STROKE! You can drop it just over the net and it carries tons of chop. No matter what serve you get, by blocking or pushing it back, they get their own spin back mirror image. Don't give up on the anti yet. |
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hpesoj07
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i think you must use all around woods for your anti spin rubber.. because when i was playing in hi school i also uses anti rubber for my backhand.. my suggestion is Butterfly Grubba or Butterfly Grubba Carbon...
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Schlager
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Ooooooooooor, you could just watch the videos where he is using the new anti's!
I only know 3 players in Norway and Sweden that uses anti, and are pretty good. All of them play with Stiga Offensive Classic, so it should be a good blade for anti (one of them is using BTY Super Anti and the two others are using the Stiga Energy Absorber)
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hpesoj07
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i also agree with you!!!! before i also use wood of Stiga offensive classic
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Hookshot
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For those of you that "think" you need a slower blade for anti, try the BTY Super Anti FIRST on any blade. It is not like alot of other antis. IT IS SLOW with a sponge that just kills speed. You could put it on a steel bat or a cardboard bat and it will reverse spin. It is slippery.
Some anti like Ellen Defense have some grip. They will kill spin on most shots, only reverse on real hi spin shots, has enough grip you can even make a little spin with it. You WILL NOT make spin with BTY Super Anti. Yes, his new vids with the antis use the same tecnique as for frictionless LP. Hit chop, block top. I have not tried his new antis. I won't be either at his prices. The things I said about anti is for BTY Super Anti. Others are not as dead feeling (good thing) or as slow. I have heard good things about Tony Hold but have not used it. My main reason for writting this is to help "dauntless" since he wants to try the BTY anti. The BTY anti is alot more tolorable of which blade you put it on that LPs. The blade can make a HUGE difference with LPs. The characteristics of the BTY Anti over power any blade you put it on and become the main factor. hpesoj07, I know a guy from Denmark that is a Very hi ranked player that uses anti. I wonder if there are more using it in that part of the world? |
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Ginko Tai Kim
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Why don't you get long pips and beat them in there own game
Ginko
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mozzy
Super Member Joined: 11/22/2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 123 |
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Hi Hooky,
Once again many thanks for much needed advice. I think you are right about how to use the Anti that i have been trying, i think yasaka anti loop must be v. similar to BTY Super Anti, again v. slippery with a soft sponge .
I have been used to 729 804 Anti on all wood off blade which has slight grip and is easy to use by comparison, i get good spin reversal off serves and topspin returns, chops back give a ball to opponent which goes off end of table. Alot of strokes played are similar to normal for inverted and some like lp's.
I also tried Armstrong New Anti and found this to be neither slippy nor grippy with a very soft sponge and similarly v. difficult to use, should i use the same strokes as described by you above for this rubber? Does anybody else use this rubber?
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