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Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

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Personally, I would go with the classic recommendations:

1.  If you are a creative player with a penholder type short and close to the table game, try T25.
2.  If you are close to mid-distance looper, T05.
3.  If you are a mid to long distance looper. T64.
4.  If you aren't sure but you just want extra counterlooping Tenergy power, T80.
5.  If you prefer soft sponges, just use an FX version of whatever is listed above.

i would have to agree with all except #3, T64 is used as a backhand rubber by a great number of the general public in china (source: i've played in a number of clubs in china)

so in terms of distance, i'm not sure, but i just wanted to add this


Most of my thoughts were based on forehand play, but the popularity of T64 on the backhand is counterintuitive for some.

T64 is less spin sensitive and more linear than T05 so is easier to block with and that is what many people do on the backhand.  It has a lower throw and gives a more direct ball.  In my opinion, if T80 was available before T64, T64 would not have been as popular as a backhand rubber as T80 has the lower spin sensitivity as well but arcs better closer to the table on offensive strokes.  In the end, it's all preferences (you can definitely loop from distance with T05 for example, but the natural high trajectory may have effects you don't like).  
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

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Personally, I would go with the classic recommendations:

1.  If you are a creative player with a penholder type short and close to the table game, try T25.
2.  If you are close to mid-distance looper, T05.
3.  If you are a mid to long distance looper. T64.
4.  If you aren't sure but you just want extra counterlooping Tenergy power, T80.
5.  If you prefer soft sponges, just use an FX version of whatever is listed above.

i would have to agree with all except #3, T64 is used as a backhand rubber by a great number of the general public in china (source: i've played in a number of clubs in china)

so in terms of distance, i'm not sure, but i just wanted to add this


Most of my thoughts were based on forehand play, but the popularity of T64 on the backhand is counterintuitive for some.


 


I think that NL and Berkeley doc are both correct.  T64 can suit both sides but it depends on certain details.  My experience from playing a lot in China is that far fewer players use composite blades, which makes a big difference in which Tenergy you would use and which is why T64 is more widely used there as a BH rubber.  NL knows this but he was giving the short version.  (I found that various all wood Stiga blades are really popular in China).

As an example of what I mean, a former US team member who plays at my club (a two-winged Eastern European looper who plays a bit off the table --think of  left-handed version of Andrej Gacina) used to use T64 on an all-wood very heavy Cressail blade.  However, after he switched to a Viscaria (an ALC blade) found that he needed to use T05 (which he uses on both sides).

I think NL's advice is a great guide for people who have never tried it and are not sure which one.  Most of the time it will work.
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T80FX is coming to me very soon. I will give a short observation in a day or two.
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T80FX is coming to me very soon. I will give a short observation in a day or two.

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

[QUOTE=frogger]
Personally, I would go with the classic recommendations:

1.  If you are a creative player with a penholder type short and close to the table game, try T25.
2.  If you are close to mid-distance looper, T05.
3.  If you are a mid to long distance looper. T64.
4.  If you aren't sure but you just want extra counterlooping Tenergy power, T80.
5.  If you prefer soft sponges, just use an FX version of whatever is listed above.

i would have to agree with all except #3, T64 is used as a backhand rubber by a great number of the general public in china (source: i've played in a number of clubs in china)

so in terms of distance, i'm not sure, but i just wanted to add this


Most of my thoughts were based on forehand play, but the popularity of T64 on the backhand is counterintuitive for some.


 


I think that NL and Berkeley doc are both correct.  T64 can suit both sides but it depends on certain details.  My experience from playing a lot in China is that far fewer players use composite blades, which makes a big difference in which Tenergy you would use and which is why T64 is more widely used there as a BH rubber.  NL knows this but he was giving the short version.  (I found that various all wood Stiga blades are really popular in China).

As an example of what I mean, a former US team member who plays at my club (a two-winged Eastern European looper who plays a bit off the table --think of  left-handed version of Andrej Gacina) used to use T64 on an all-wood very heavy Cressail blade.  However, after he switched to a Viscaria (an ALC blade) found that he needed to use T05 (which he uses on both sides).

I think NL's advice is a great guide for people who have never tried it and are not sure which one.  Most of the time it will work.

Thanks for the kind words, Baal.  While I do agree that T64 is easier to use on slower blades than T05 (largely because of the trajectory, IMO), I do believe that the T64 backhand blade preference is to a good degree independent of blade speed and more a function of the sensitivity of the rubber when blocking.  People who like fairly straight trajectory rubbers for blocking like T64 more than T05 and most people like this kind of rubber on their backhand even when close to the table or a few feet back because they can get a good speed shot with a small stroke.  For T05, most people who use it on the backhand almost always loop and hate to block.  You almost never get to really relax with T05 on your backhand.

Consider that Mizutani and ZJK who both used Carbon blades use T64 on BH, though Mizutani has switched to T80 (for me, I have noticed that my forehand is more sensitive than my backhand to changes in rubber, but others may differ).  Boll, on the other hand, uses T05.


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